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[11:38] [asmok] goof evening
[11:39] [Lns] hi asmok
[11:39] [asmok] ltsp-cluster works just fine in karmic
[11:39] [asmok] but in lucid ltsp-cluster-control admin page is empty
[11:40] [asmok] here is bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp-cluster/+bug/563263
[11:40] [asmok] any fix, if it is php parse problem?
[11:40] [asmok] lns: hi!
[11:41] [Lns] Gadi: ^^^ You are being summoned ;)
[11:41] [Lns] err wait...hahhaa
[11:41] [Lns] not Gadi, but stgraber
[11:41] [Lns] gadi, graber, potato, ...
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[11:44] [asmok] I did a workshop few days ago about ltsp-cluster/karmic - sorry for finnish, once again, but pics are universal language ;-) http://blog.ubuntu-fi.org/2010/nurmon-kouluihin-ltsp-klusteri/
[11:46] [asmok] anyone played with ltsp-cluster in lucid?
[11:46] [alkisg] cyberorg had the same problem in 6 Oct 2009 (with the T_GOTO syntax error), maybe he found a solution for it?
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[11:47] [asmok] alkisg: bug report about that?
[11:48] [alkisg] I don't think so... you can see the ltsp logs though (see the topic for the link)
[11:48] [asmok] I'll try to find
[11:51] [asmok] There is no archive for 2009 or 2008, just 2007, 2006?
[11:51] [asmok] http://www.nubae.com/logs/archived/
[11:53] [alkisg] asmok: http://www.nubae.com/logs/ltsp20091006_pg2.html
[11:53] [asmok] I wonder how mess it is if I just copy whole ltsp-cluster-conrol php dir from karmic to the lucid?
[11:58] [asmok] I wonder why this bug is back when karmic is just ok... only stephanie can handle this, i think or someone from revolution linux...
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[12:00] [asmok] stephanie marco is great singer, stephane graber can handle this one :-)
[12:01] [asmok] let's leave that for stephane, he will read that bug report
[12:14] [stgraber] asmok: we didn't update the package in lucid at all so installing karmic's won't work
[12:14] [stgraber] I'm guessing that the control center simply doesn't work with 5.3
[12:15] [asmok] so it's better stick with karmic?
[12:16] [komunista] vagrantc: thanks for pointing to lxsession with thin client shutdown, it is very nice function ;-)
[12:17] [stgraber] asmok: http://pastebin.com/JKRFiyW6
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[12:17] [stgraber] asmok: can you try applying that patch to /usr/share/ltsp-cluster-control/
[12:17] [Alex227] hallo
[12:17] [stgraber] asmok: if it works, I'll upload that to lucid
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[12:19] [vagrantc] alkisg: did ubuntu get the patch into gnome-session to support LTSP logouts?
[12:19] [vagrantc] er, LTSP shutdown/reboot
[12:19] [alkisg] vagrantc: nope :(
[12:19] [alkisg] They thought it was too much of a hack
[12:20] [asmok] I'll try that, first I'll have to remember how to patch, it's really been some time when dealing patch file ;-) be patient, i start now ;-)
[12:20] [vagrantc] alkisg: the whole concept?
[12:20] [alkisg] We need to tell sbalneav to get it upstream to gnome :)
[12:20] [johnny] i don't think that's gonna happen until you can pass it down via dbus to the client
[12:20] [alkisg] vagrantc: I'm not sure if it was the xprop setting that bothered them or the code path where the patch was applied, the maintainer didn't have much time to talk so...
[12:20] [johnny] it always always be hacky trying to fix it in that way
[12:21] [alkisg] johnny: do you think it's easier to send upstream dbus patches than gnome-session patches?
[12:21] [stgraber] asmok: cd /usr/share/ltsp-cluster-control && sudo patch -p0 < path/to/the/patch
[12:24] [asmok] ok
[12:25] [johnny] alkisg, i don't think the solution would be acceptable upstream is all
[12:25] [johnny] by gnome folks
[12:25] [johnny] it's too specific to one situation
[12:26] [atkuepker] grr. more dbus-daemon. I'd be happier if that thing didn't lock up so frequently
[12:27] [alkisg] johnny: so then what do you propose? To maintain an ltsp-specific branch of dbus?
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[12:28] [johnny] alkisg,
[12:28] [johnny] no..
[12:28] [johnny] it just seems more likely that a dbus proxy or router would be more generic and useful for ohter things
[12:28] [johnny] unlike the specific hacky way of logging out
[12:29] [asmok] stgraber: you are hero of the day ;-)
[12:29] [stgraber] asmok: it works correctly ?
[12:29] [asmok] atching file Admin/index.php
[12:29] [asmok] patching file Admin/util/functions.php
[12:29] [asmok] patching file Admin/util/setup.php
[12:29] [asmok] patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
[12:29] [asmok] Hunk #2 succeeded at 198 with fuzz 2.
[12:29] [asmok] yes
[12:30] [stgraber] good, releasing a new version + uploading to lucid then
[12:31] [stgraber] released (2.0.2)
[12:31] [asmok] great!
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[12:35] [asmok] there are still messages in apache2's error.log, but admin page works now, this kind of
[12:35] [alkisg] vagrantc: one cleaner thing to propose is to have the applet reboot/shutdown entries hidden when the CK session is not active (e.g. in ltsp and nx sessions). That wouldn't be hackish at all. We'd lose the ability to shutdown from the menus, but it'd at least make sense.
[12:36] [vagrantc] alkisg: i thought that was already implemented in older versions?
[12:37] [alkisg] vagrantc: yes there was a patch in fusa for that, but fusa got dropped and the patch wasn't transfered to the new indicator applet
[12:37] [asmok] http://ltsp.pastebin.com/ixzkUTkj
[12:37] [alkisg] vagrantc: but this wouldn't be an ltsp - specific patch; it would check CK instead
[12:37] [stgraber] asmok: uploaded to lucid
[12:38] [stgraber] asmok: seems like php 5.3 is quite verbose ;)
[12:38] [stgraber] I won't spend too much time making it happy as we are simply rewritting everything at the moment ...
[12:38] [asmok] good to know
[12:39] [asmok] i finish now my lucid setup and them boot first test tc
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[12:51] [asmok] stgraber: HP Mini 2133 as a TC: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/WE1v7rHi
[12:52] [stgraber] great !
[12:52] [asmok] lucid works great now, only one app server ;-D
[12:53] [stgraber] and you got that super slick and fast flickerless boot ?
[12:53] [asmok] yes
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[12:54] [thunsucker] stgraber: wow that sounds nice
[12:55] [stgraber] thunsucker: here it's basically the pxelinux loading sequence, then a splash for 10s without any flicker/black screen, then directly the login prompt
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[12:57] [asmok] i have lots of t5125/t5135, i hope i got them to work too, there is something bad after login, but now i can test them with lucid - t5125 drops after login to the login screen again, let's see if i find something. they work with hardy just fine...
[12:57] [asmok] i now boot t5125...
[12:59] [stgraber] the oldest HP I have here is a 5735
[12:59] [stgraber] and I have some 5745
[13:03] [vmlintu] I noticed the same problem yesterday with lucid - after login my via based thin client just went back to login screen
[13:04] [vmlintu] After I set LDM_DIRECTX=false and X_COLOR_DEPTH=16, it started working ok, so I didn't investigate it further
[13:04] [Gadi] have you disabled compiz?
[13:04] [vmlintu] Removing compiz didn't help with my box
[13:05] [vmlintu] It's some via based box with 1GHz CPU and 512Mb of memory
[13:08] [asmok] vmlintu: i try your setup too
[13:09] [vmlintu] LDM_DIRECTX=true
[13:09] [vmlintu] sorry, my mind is mixed up
[13:09] [vmlintu] LDM_DIRECTX=Y and X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 were the working ones
[13:09] [asmok] ok
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[13:21] [alkisg] asmok: for some clients, disabling compiz helps:
[13:21] [alkisg] !compiz
[13:21] [ltspbot] alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
[13:22] [asmok] yes i did it, it is in my/stephane howto ;-) wai a minute, some good news coming ;-)
[13:24] [asmok] t5125 (september 2006 model) works now! http://ltsp.pastebin.com/nsRqfq8t
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[13:25] [Gadi] asmok: these are all via chipsets?
[13:25] [asmok] it is awful slow to boot, but then no problem. I once again own a beer to stephane and veli-matti ;-) I think we can do something for that in Tampere ;-D right ;-)
[13:25] [Gadi] (using openchrome driver)?
[13:27] [vmlintu] I was using the default driver for the box and it has been openchrome at least until now. I actually didn't even check that yesterday..
[13:28] [asmok] here is something from ltsp-cluster check: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/nNUF3ufq
[13:30] [Gadi] yeah, I find the openchrome driver to be lacking in the "sane defaults" department
[13:30] [Gadi] :)
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[13:32] [vmlintu] The same box started using the internal speaker for audio now..
[13:32] [asmok] this is what ltsp-cluster says before loginvideo: apollo cle266 integrated castlerock graphics (rev 03)
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[13:33] [asmok] yes sound work for t5125
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[13:36] [asmok] this was really good session, now i really can start to plan how to turn my hardy dhcp-failover setup to the ltsp-cluster setup, i got over 100 t5125/t5135 at my daughter's school. thank you everybody and good night!
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[14:26] [vagrantc] hrm. gpxe and recent versions of qemu don't play well together...
[14:28] [Gadi] tho, they are prolly worth a lot of points in the game of Scrabble
[14:29] [vagrantc] true enough!
[14:29] [Gadi] see, now isn't that all that matters?
[14:30] [vagrantc] hrm.
[14:30] [vagrantc] seems like ltsp-update-sshkeys is creating an empty file for me... but when i re-run it, it works fine.
[14:31] [Gadi] ssh running the first time?
[14:31] [vagrantc] running?
[14:31] [vagrantc] ah, yes. sshd is running.
[14:31] [Gadi] not with legs
[14:32] [Gadi] odd
[14:32] [vagrantc] Gadi: when you re-wrote it, does it not use the local files at all? i.e. it always scans the network?
[14:32] [Gadi] I believe so
[14:32] *** Gadi can be so presumptuous
[14:33] [Gadi] lets have a look-see
[14:33] [vagrantc] reading directly from the files themselves is a lot safer...
[14:33] [vagrantc] also, doesn't require the local machine to have sshd running
[14:33] [vagrantc] also got some reports that it was taking an inordinate amount of time at boot
[14:33] [Gadi] ok ok ok
[14:34] [Gadi] geesh
[14:34] [Gadi] :)
[14:34] [vagrantc] heh
[14:34] [Gadi] is it too late to fix? is the party over?
[14:34] [Gadi] :)
[14:34] [vagrantc] party?
[14:34] *** vagrantc plays a kazoo
[14:34] [Gadi] what? we're not at a party?
[14:34] *** Gadi puts his pants back on
[14:35] [Lns] ....wow.
[14:39] [Lns] that might be a good slogan... "SSH: Don't get caught with your pants down."
[14:47] [vagrantc] hrm.
[14:47] [vagrantc] ltspfs seems completely broken in testing :(
[14:48] [vagrantc] ah, false alarm... i haven't tested these other files yet...
[14:53] [Gadi] vagrantc: fixed, commited, pushed
[14:53] [Gadi] please test
[14:54] [Gadi] oh, and test while singing "pants on the ground" to Lns
[14:54] [Lns] lol
[14:55] [Lns] if you could guage the skills of an open source programmer to the personality quirks demonstrated on IRC...hahaha
[14:55] [Lns] gadi, you'd be a millionaire
[14:57] [Gadi] hehe
[14:58] [Gadi] ciao, gang
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[14:58] [vagrantc] just like gadi to fix something and disappear :)
[15:00] [Lns] hehe
[15:01] [Lns] at least he took his pants with him.
[15:01] [highvoltage] vagrantc: are you going to debconf?
[15:02] [vagrantc] seems to work
[15:02] [vagrantc] highvoltage: yes, you?
[15:02] [vagrantc] highvoltage: we met in sevilla years back, no?
[15:02] [highvoltage] vagrantc: yep, looking forward to seeing some familiar people and meeting new debian folk
[15:03] [highvoltage] vagrantc: yes, indeed
[15:03] [highvoltage] vagrantc: you are probably more memorable than I am, I thought you were interesting :)
[15:06] [vagrantc] i'm trying to concince some LTSP folks to crash debconf to do some ltsp hacking
[15:06] [vmlintu] what's next on the line for ltsp?
[15:07] [highvoltage] that would be great. stgraber is also going
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[15:08] [vagrantc] stgraber: ah, didn't know you were going! :)
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