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[02:08] [cyberorg] hi folks, jfi kiwi got RHEL support in the latest package, opensuse 11.3 will have support for upstart in addition to sysvinit
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[07:05] [mgariepy] morning everyone
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[11:40] [alkisg] The clients connect to the server with an ssh connection.
[11:40] [alkisg] I was wondering if I could use that connection to control the clients
[11:41] [alkisg] E.g. (from the client): ssh <use-the-same-control-socket> server app-that-listens-for-commands | local-app-that-executes-commands
[11:41] [alkisg] Would something like that work?
[11:41] [vagrantc] probably
[11:42] [vagrantc] the downside is you need support server-side ...
[11:42] [vagrantc] i.e. you need binaries, scripts, etc. installed on the server
[11:43] [Lns] which alkisg has ;)
[11:44] [_UsUrPeR_] hey all
[11:44] [Lns] hey _UsUrPeR_
[11:45] [_UsUrPeR_] I'm noticing that installing ltsp-server-standalone does not appear to put an entry into /etc/inet.d to start TFTP. I seem to remember this working properly at some point.
[11:45] [_UsUrPeR_] Lns: he :)
[11:45] [_UsUrPeR_] s/he/hi
[11:46] [alkisg] Well, it wouldn't be too difficult to create an app-that-listens-for-commands... and it should be secure, since it uses the same ssh connection (and it would also work for fat clients)...
[11:46] [alkisg] The problem is that it wouldn't work if no user was connected on the TC
[11:47] [Lns] the infamous hang-up ;)
[11:47] [Lns] which is why a chroot daemon is needed for that kind of thing (reboot/shutdown/etc)
[11:47] [alkisg] Or, and ssh connection with a special user
[11:48] [Lns] hmm
[11:48] [alkisg] ssh ltsp-user@server <same-params
[11:48] [alkisg] That would have as a shell the app that listens for commands...
[11:48] [alkisg] I'm not sure if that's considered safe. nx uses the same technique, but still...
[11:48] [vagrantc] _UsUrPeR_: i know on debian (and probably ubuntu) update-inetd is used, which historically has simply edited /etc/inetd.conf
[11:48] [Lns] _UsUrPeR_: i don't see it either in my lucid test svr, but booting seems to work fine..
[11:49] *** _UsUrPeR_ confused
[11:49] [_UsUrPeR_] I don't remember this being a problem
[11:49] [Lns] jerickson@lucid-alpha3:~$ ps auxw|grep tft
[11:49] [Lns] root 830 0.0 0.0 14712 304 ? Ss 11:44 0:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --listen --user tftp --address 0.0.0.0:69 --secure /var/lib/tftpboot
[11:49] [vagrantc] ah, newer tftpd-hpa also doesn't use inetd by default...
[11:50] [_UsUrPeR_] huh. weird.
[11:50] [alkisg] _UsUrPeR_: if that's Lucid, then yup, that's the new way...
[11:50] [_UsUrPeR_] no, it's 9.10
[11:50] [_UsUrPeR_] sorry, I should have specified.
[11:50] *** Lns just deleted his 9.10 vm =p
[11:50] [_UsUrPeR_] it's not showing up in ps aux either :P
[11:51] [alkisg] That entry is put the by tftpd-hpa.postinst, afaik
[11:51] [alkisg] Not by ltsp-server-standalone...
[11:51] [alkisg] *there
[11:52] [alkisg] _UsUrPeR_: try apt-get install --reinstall tftpd-hpa
[11:54] [_UsUrPeR_] k
[11:55] [_UsUrPeR_] a message during the re-install process: "tftpd-hpa disabled in /etc/default/tftpd-hpa"
[11:55] [alkisg] what does that file have?
[11:55] [alkisg] (pastebin)
[11:57] [_UsUrPeR_] alkisg: http://pastebin.com/AknEBPFM
[11:57] [alkisg] Looks good... and it's still not in /etc/inetd.conf ?
[11:59] [_UsUrPeR_] alkisg: http://pastebin.com/WzTkrMPD
[11:59] [_UsUrPeR_] nothing in there after re-install :/
[11:59] [alkisg] Can you also pastebin this one? /var/lib/dpkg/info/tftpd-hpa.postinst
[12:00] [_UsUrPeR_] alkisg: http://pastebin.com/rZpcdWN0
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[12:01] [alkisg] That's the command that should have been ran: update-inetd --group BOOT --add "tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot"
[12:02] [alkisg] What does this give you? debconf-get-selections | grep tftp
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[12:03] [Lns] Re: Ubu 10.04, anyone have a bug report going for the installation of ltsp-server-standalone requiring 'service openbsd-inetd restart' before it completes? If not I'm going to put one up.
[12:03] [dba] if i were you, i would get the tftpd-hpa backport;
[12:03] [_UsUrPeR_] alkisg: that returns "tftpd-hpa tftpd-hpa/use_inetd boolean true"
[12:03] [dba] that one doesn't need any manual setup anymore.
[12:03] [alkisg] Lns, stgraber supposedly fixed that by predepending on openbsd-inetd
[12:03] [alkisg] When did you try?
[12:04] [Lns] alkisg: yesterday
[12:04] [alkisg] stgraber: ^^^ ???
[12:04] [Lns] w/newest alpha3 downloaded (02/24 date)
[12:04] [alkisg] _UsUrPeR_: I don't know why that update-inetd command didn't run.
[12:04] [alkisg] Lns, k, that's "ancient" :D
[12:04] [Lns] LOL
[12:04] [_UsUrPeR_] is there anything I can do to diagnose this further?
[12:04] [alkisg] I think stgraber fixed it a week ago or so
[12:05] [_UsUrPeR_] I mean, I know how it's supposed to be fixed, but this should just work
[12:05] [_UsUrPeR_] s/supposed to be fixed/what I need to do to fix this specific issue,
[12:05] [Lns] ok, we sure that it'll get into main w/o a bug report? not sure how that process goes
[12:06] [alkisg] Lns: we need to try with a recent (== < 7 days :D) build, e.g. the beta1, to see if the problem's still ther
[12:06] [alkisg] e
[12:06] [alkisg] It shouldn't be anymore.
[12:07] [Lns] damn, i wasted another cd then haha.. is there an image for beta1? or do i just upgrade w/stgraber ppa
[12:07] [alkisg] There's an image, out today
[12:07] [alkisg] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1
[12:07] [Lns] noice. another re-install for friday! =p
[12:07] [Lns] thx
[12:08] [alkisg] np... you just saved me from testing myself :D
[12:08] [Lns] lol
[12:08] [Lns] i'm trying to get into tester mode for april..
[12:09] [Lns] and get up to speed on the nice and shiny fatclient/localapp magic in the new lts version ;)
[12:09] [alkisg] That'd be nice, and better sooner than later, to fix whatever bugs asap...
[12:09] [Lns] yup
[12:10] [johnny] alkisg, did you see the thing about multiseat via kms?
[12:10] [alkisg] johnny: nope, any links?
[12:11] [johnny] it's still premature.. but good to see it going in the right direction
[12:11] [Lns] i'm seeing a lot of chatter regarding the intel D945GCLF2D mobos for ltsp - http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D945GCLF2D-Mini-ITX-Motherboard .. I have one myself, it seems to work great with ltsp so far besides one weird bug during bootup
[12:11] *** alkisg thought that nobody was working on multiseat recently..
[12:12] [johnny] http://airlied.livejournal.com/72187.html
[12:13] [johnny] alkisg, this is multiple X servers running on one card
[12:13] [johnny] but once the integration with the user space tools happen
[12:13] [johnny] seems like it's just a short hope to the rest
[12:13] [johnny] hop*
[12:14] [johnny] alkisg, i think the problem before .. was just that the stack wasn't ready
[12:14] [johnny] without too much hackery
[12:14] [johnny] but kms makes it much easier to handle
[12:14] [_UsUrPeR_] alkisg: This all happened after a aptitude purge ltsp-server-standalone
[12:14] [alkisg] I've heard about Xorg fixes 2 years ago, and consolekit also helped, and now kms...
[12:15] *** _UsUrPeR_ things a config file is being left someplace
[12:15] [alkisg] johnny: ...but it still doesn't feel ready... :-/
[12:15] [alkisg] _UsUrPeR_: purge --auto-remove works better for this purpose
[12:15] [johnny] of course not..
[12:16] [johnny] alkisg, it took alot of work to get this far :)
[12:16] [alkisg] _UsUrPeR_: that purge --autoremove would also purge any tftp settings...
[12:17] [_UsUrPeR_] alkisg: ok, I'll give that a shot
[12:17] [alkisg] (i.e. you basically need to purge tftp, not ltsp, but due to dependencies, it's easier if you purge both)
[12:20] [_UsUrPeR_] alkisg: ok, after apt-get autoremove tftpd-hpa, all standalone ltsp components were removed. I re-installed ltsp-server-standalone, but still there is no tftp addition
[12:24] [stgraber] Lns, alkisg: the openbsd-inetd fix should be in the repo and in my ppa
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[12:42] [Lns] stgraber: thanks =) will be testing here w/beta1 in just a sec..is it in that?
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[12:47] [epaphus] Hello all..
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[12:49] [epaphus] So i searched newegg.com for "PXE" and it returned only 3 results. However ive been told that now a days most NICs come with PXE. I want to buy this Mobo (included NIC) D945GCLF2 ... however it doesnt say anywhere in the manual about PXE. How do i know if in fct it doesnt have PXE?
[12:54] [Lns] epaphus: it does
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[12:54] [Lns] I have one ;)
[12:55] [epaphus] Lns, how do you know? This is the Dual Atom that has the CPU built in right? How do i test it? i dont see anywhere in the BIOS to set it to boot from the network..
[12:55] [Lns] epaphus: because i'm using it as a thin/fat client ;)
[12:55] [Lns] haven't even gone into the bios yet, it's set by default (from where i got it anyway)
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