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[00:00] [alkisg] cyberorg: i.e. we should put more focus to allowing easy updates/upgrades/app installations for fat clients
[00:00] [alkisg] Now I'm using an nbd partition for that, so that I don't have to run ltsp-update-image
[00:01] [cyberorg] yeah, the image will be based on live CD
[00:01] [alkisg] But that's not something anyone could do...
[00:01] [alkisg] If we had an ext3 partition inside a file, though, it'd be much easier
[00:01] [alkisg] "create a fat chroot with size = 50 Gb" or something like that
[00:02] [alkisg] Of course if it was a .vmdk vbox disk image that could grow dynamically, that would be the best :D
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[00:03] [cyberorg] they use sparse image
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[06:34] [AndyGraybeal] anyone run xpra on ltsp?
[06:35] [AndyGraybeal] xpra (the screen-like thing for X)
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[06:56] [stgraber] morning everyone
[06:57] [stgraber] Just a quick note that I'll be producing a new snapshot of ltsp and ldm that if they don't contain any visible bug will become 5.2.1 and 2.1.1. Unless someone has something that'll be commited in the next hour or so.
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[11:10] [alkisg] Do we have any provisions for allowing localapps to access the local disks?
[11:11] [vagrantc] LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=false ?
[11:12] [vagrantc] it defaults to True if unset, due to issues with laptops that suspend to disk causing filesystem corruption and whatnot
[11:13] [alkisg] Isn't that exposed with ltspfs?
[11:13] [alkisg] I.e. not for localapps?
[11:13] [vagrantc] localapps have access to localdevs, at least in theory.
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[11:13] [vagrantc] if you install ltspfs in the chroot, at least
[11:14] [alkisg] Does the traffic go through the server?
[11:14] [vagrantc] it probably doesn't work as elegantly as one might hope...
[11:14] [vagrantc] alkisg: no, it's all local.
[11:14] [alkisg] I'm wondering how I should handle internal disk mounting for fat clients...
[11:14] [vagrantc] similar code that makes localdev available to rdesktop
[11:15] [alkisg] The users can mount the devices as usual, subject to policykit,
[11:15] [alkisg] but it would be nice to have an option to mount internal disks on fstab
[11:15] [vagrantc] alkisg: depends on if you want to look at it from the distro perspective, or the ltsp perspective...
[11:15] [alkisg] From the ltsp perspective, but I do hope that ltsp will focus more on fat clients in the future
[11:15] [vagrantc] i.e. should it behave just like a normal disked machine, or should it behave more like a thin client?
[11:16] [vagrantc] indeed, fatclients appear to be the immediate future
[11:17] [alkisg] I don't think fat clients could share the LOCALDEV_DENY* infrastructure...
[11:17] [alkisg] *should
[11:17] [alkisg] Wouldn't it be better if they behaved more like standalone machines?
[11:17] [alkisg] I.e., if an admin wants to limit access, he could use pklocalauthority..
[11:18] [alkisg] And I think it'd be better if we also used that for thin clients as well
[11:18] [alkisg] No need to invent new semantics if we can reuse the existing ones...
[11:18] [vagrantc] problem is the existing ones change like the direction of the wind
[11:19] [vagrantc] whereas we've managed to create something that's actually stayed reasonably consistant for years
[11:19] [alkisg] Yeah I'm just 3 years on the linux train and I've already seen more changes than I'd want to...
[11:20] [vagrantc] sometimes it feels like people want a new naming scheme, and the technology gets invented to make room for it.
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[11:22] [alkisg] Mhm... and also some developers leave, and their projects stop being developed, and others instead of picking them up they're inventing new ones, causing chaos in the process
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[11:22] [vagrantc] at any rate, i've gotta roll...
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[14:54] [AndyGraybeal] i'm playing video over ltsp :)
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[17:39] [abeehc] well jaunty-ltsp isn't serving me so well lately; wondering if 10.04 builds are more or less safe to use?
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[20:33] [johnny] dear aptitude users.. your aptitude can moo.. get over it :)
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[22:12] [alkisg] While updating ltsp-server:
[22:12] [alkisg] NOTE: you will probably want to add to /etc/exports:
[22:12] [alkisg] /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async)
[22:12] [alkisg] and then run:
[22:12] [alkisg] invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server reload
[22:12] [alkisg] Well, I'm not using an NFS chroot, so I guess I shouldn't be seeing that warning?
[22:22] [johnny] sure.. but you can't set what type you're using from ltsp-build-client
[22:23] [johnny] i think your only recourse on ubuntu is by deleting the plugin
[22:24] [alkisg] johnny: I just received an update, I didn't call ltsp-build-client...
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[22:27] [johnny] ah.. oops..
[22:27] [johnny] yeah.. package
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