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[00:56] [alkisg] Hrm I wonder how I could call a script from pam_env.conf, e.g. CKCON_X11_DISPLAY_DEVICE=$(/usr/lib/ConsoleKit/ck-get-x11-display-device)
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[01:03] [johnny] have you talked to the console kid people?
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[01:07] [alkisg] johnny: where's that? any irc rooms?
[01:07] [alkisg] or is it #freedesktop?
[01:07] [johnny] probably freedesktop
[01:08] [johnny] but don't they have a mailing list
[01:08] [johnny] or some other way to cross reference names to irc names :)
[01:08] [alkisg] urm, I'll give it another shot, but I didn't get any responses the last 2 days there :)
[01:08] [johnny] well try the mailing list
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[03:09] [alkisg] This makes fat client sessions work fine with consolekit, but it's a hack, can someone see a cleaner way? http://paste.ubuntu.com/393156/
[03:09] [alkisg] CK is needed in order for PK to consider the current user as active, so that he can mount usb sticks etc
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[03:14] [nubae] hi folks
[03:14] [nubae] alkisg: u around?
[03:15] [alkisg] nubae: yes - but i'll leave soon to get my daughter from the school
[03:15] [nubae] ok, quick question, what do u think about this as a thin client: http://www.amazon.com/fit-PC-Slim-Linux/dp/B001L18ED2/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1268302366&sr=8-9
[03:15] [nubae] check the specs... the only thing that worries me is the 500mhz geode processor
[03:16] [alkisg] I'm not the right person to ask about hardware :)
[03:16] [alkisg] I only use 10 year old pcs as thin clients... :)
[03:16] [nubae] hehe, ok, but take a look anyhow
[03:17] [nubae] its 199$ so its really affordable, I'm thinking about buying these for my school... I'd need about 20 units, but would like to buy one to test... I'm worried about specs, which I think u can evaluate better than I at this point
[03:18] [nubae] oh and comes with ubuntu preinstalled
[03:18] [alkisg] 100mbps ethernet? why not gigabit?
[03:19] [nubae] maybe this is better? (same price): http://www.amazon.com/Acer-AspireRevo-AR1600-U910H-Desktop-Windows/dp/B002O3W44Q/ref=pd_cp_pc_2
[03:19] [alkisg] BBL
[03:19] [nubae] ok
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[03:29] [g4tsu] Hi
[03:29] [g4tsu] I've got a problem with LTSP and disabling ssh
[03:29] [g4tsu] I've add this line in lts.conf without success : LDM_DIRECTX=True
[03:44] [sep] define without success? it will still start a ssh for authentication, but X is run outside the ssh tunnel for performance. what did you exect should happen ?
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[03:53] [alkisg] nubae: the latter would make a good fat client...
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[04:18] [Comete] hello
[04:19] [Comete] how can i change the LDM background image ?
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[05:07] [nubae] alkisg: of course, they dont ship to Europe :-)
[05:07] [nubae] so forget that idea :-)
[05:07] [nubae] damn amazon...
[05:08] [nubae] I tried installing local apps in my thin client and now I get busybox prompt
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[06:00] [weenus] This falls under category wtf. I was having a problem with ltsp starting up until I followed your directions I got below and then it stopped working until I undid the instructions and put the path back to /opt/ltsp/i386 in the dhcpd.conf file http://pastie.org/864852 Just thought that I'd let you know.
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[06:13] [nubae] sigh... enabling binary drivers in the chroot seems to be a spectactular pain in the ass
[06:15] [nubae] I guess Im going to have to downgrade the chroot to Jaunty
[06:28] [alkisg] Why?
[06:30] [alkisg] In Lucid it's even possible to install many binary drivers simultaneously
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[06:34] [anivair] I don't suppose anyone knows how to break a .gvfs directory?
[06:35] [anivair] I have users that can't log in when I use a Term 1220. the problem is with the .gvfs directory somehow
[06:35] [anivair] the users that CAN log in on them have a .gvfs directory that is somehow broken, though it may be intentional.
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[06:36] [anivair] the last time I got around it, i tried to log them into the main server and set up desktop effects. That errors out (because I don't have the drivers) and after, the directory is as follows:
[06:36] [anivair] d????????? ? ? ? ? ? .gvfs
[06:36] [alkisg] Are you using localapps?
[06:36] [anivair] I don't even know how to do that on purpose, let alone accidentally
[06:37] [anivair] I am for a few items (phones)
[06:37] [alkisg] With SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=false, any attempts to create symlinks on sshfs fail, and files like this get created instead
[06:38] [alkisg] So I guess those files got created when the users tried to mount a usb stick etc
[06:38] [anivair] where is that set? is it global?
[06:38] [alkisg] In lts.conf
[06:38] [anivair] hrm ... pretty sure it's not set in there
[06:38] [alkisg] It was the default setting for some time
[06:38] [anivair] I see
[06:38] [alkisg] You didn't have to set it manually...
[06:39] [alkisg] distro/version?
[06:39] [anivair] so it probzably got set for them in an older version
[06:39] [anivair] karmic ubuntu
[06:39] [alkisg] I think it's the default in karmic
[06:39] [anivair] but many users were migrated from older versions
[06:39] [anivair] what WAS happening is that he just couldn't log in
[06:39] [anivair] it'd just drop him back out to the login screen when it tried to create a display
[06:40] [alkisg] ***i'm saying all this backwards - SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS should be *true* on karmic. It's now been reverted to false on Lucid.
[06:40] [anivair] setting the .gvfs file to root ownership and 0 permissions got him in, but now it's laggy and buggy
[06:40] [anivair] which is not what I want, of course
[06:40] [alkisg] Just try to set SSH_FOLLOW_SYMLINKS=false
[06:40] [alkisg] In lts.conf
[06:42] [anivair] will I need to rebuild my kernel after that, or just reboot the thin client?
[06:42] [alkisg] Reboot the client
[06:42] [anivair] I'll give it a shot
[06:47] [nubae] alkisg: because AMD, smart folks that they are do not support karmic or lucid
[06:48] [nubae] ive been trying to get the damn dribers working now for about a week
[06:50] [nubae] ati used to be so well supported, and now its like getting blood out of a stone to get it working
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[06:52] [nubae] alkisg: I now u're busy, but would u have time to look at a couple logos I did for my new IT school... I desperately need a second opinion and direction to go in...
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[07:00] [anivair] hrm ... well, that got me logged in (even after I changed back the ownership and permissions on .gvfs) but it's still laggy and buggy. I can't even seem to get more things open now.
[07:00] [anivair] (I have never had this much trouble with a login in my life)
[07:03] [nubae] anivair: have u checked to see the xsession-errors log file under /home/username/.xsession-errors
[07:03] [nubae] that often reveals clues
[07:03] [anivair] checking now
[07:05] [anivair] for the users that can login but nothing runs, I'm getting a lot of fatal IO error 11 (resource temporarily unavailable) on X server
[07:06] [anivair] ... and apparently it's working fine on another thin client of the same make. what the hell is that? Hold on just a sec while I verrify.
[07:06] [nubae] are u sure u're not trying to run the same program from the same user on different machines?
[07:06] [nubae] that is a no no
[07:07] [nubae] u can only run one session per user... otherwise things can get hairy
[07:08] [anivair] I was trying ot run the phone (which is a localapp and also he does not have running on hte other login)
[07:08] [anivair] the only concurrency is his login
[07:09] [anivair] which should work AFAIK
[07:09] [anivair] but let me have him log out to make sure
[07:13] [nubae] well if its local app should be ok
[07:13] [nubae] its just non local apps, if its the same user u can get problems
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[07:14] [mighty-d] HI
[07:15] [mighty-d] we are thinking on a LTSP server running on a virtual machine, has this been done?, what are the results?
[07:16] [Appiah] yes it has been done
[07:16] [Appiah] I dont see the problem?
[07:16] [nubae] the results are, ltsp running on a vm :p
[07:17] [nubae] sorry couldnt resist
[07:17] [mighty-d] Appiah, heh, there is no problem, do you know how it did in performance
[07:17] [mighty-d] nubae heh
[07:17] [mighty-d] :P
[07:17] [Appiah] well I never benchmarked any of my ltsp installs
[07:17] [Appiah] vs non-virtual installs
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[07:17] [Appiah] O_o
[07:17] [nubae] they say u loose about 10% or so
[07:17] [nubae] its not much in any case
[07:17] [Appiah] 10% what
[07:18] [nubae] performance in general
[07:18] [nubae] speed
[07:18] [Appiah] how was that messured?
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[07:18] [mighty-d] Appiah how many user load do you have on your ltsp, and what are your users using it for (education, work office, etc)
[07:18] [Appiah] and who are they? do you have any source
[07:18] [nubae] well, actually I'm talking about cpu based or something like virtualbox
[07:18] [Appiah] educational and offices
[07:18] [mighty-d] Appiah your largest virtualized LTSP deployment?
[07:19] [Appiah] I dont have a singel one , my customers have
[07:19] [nubae] ie... if its supported in the cpu, u should not see any differences
[07:19] [nubae] yes, I read it recently in Linux Format
[07:19] [Appiah] 20 users me thinks
[07:19] [nubae] I cannot remember the author
[07:19] [nubae] nor do I care to go look it up :-=
[07:19] [mighty-d] ok, what are you using as the hypervisor?
[07:20] [nubae] kvm would probably be the best
[07:20] [nubae] or something like openvz
[07:21] [Appiah] vmware mighty-d
[07:22] [anivair] fixed ... sort of? I rep laced the thin client with a new one of the same model and it works. So either the old one was dying or they have changed some of the hardware on them since the last batch I bought (which was, admittedly, about 2 years ago)
[07:22] [nubae] well vmware is like virtualbox... the free version at least is not as fast as something like kvm
[07:23] [mighty-d] nubae, ok i think i will go with kvm, guys i really appreciate your help
[07:23] [Appiah] I would go xen
[07:23] [nubae] or xen yes
[07:23] [mgariepy] good morning everyone
[07:23] [Appiah] virtualbox is more "desktopish"
[07:23] [nubae] those are solutions that use the cpu directly to virtualise
[07:23] [Appiah] thought it can run headless
[07:23] [nubae] vmaware and virtualbox dont
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