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[04:29] [tthorbj] I have Karmic with LTSP. Several users freezes when they are logged in. I've replaced the client, mv'd their homedir, but it's still freezing. Others have no problems, among them me.
[04:37] [alkisg] tthorbj: the only "per user freezing" problems I've ever heard of are compiz related... could you try the following command to disable compiz for everyone?
[04:37] [alkisg] !disable-compiz
[04:37] [ltspbot] alkisg: "disable-compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
[04:39] [tthorbj] Thanks, I'll give that a try!
[04:42] [tthorbj] It sounds like a reasonable solution. I can log in to the clients with ssh after they crashes. I copied the client logs from the user that crashed mostly here: http://www.t-t.no/log.tar.gz
[04:42] [tthorbj] But - I'll hope alkisg's solution works out!
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[06:12] [mgariepy] morning all
[06:30] [tthorbj] Well - alkisg's solution didn't work out - new freeze!
[06:30] *** alkisg doesn't know of any other user-specific problems that cause freezes
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[06:32] [tthorbj] For new viewers:tthorbj: I have Karmic with LTSP. Several users freezes when they are logged in. I've replaced the client, mv'd their homedir, but it's still freezing. Others have no problems, among them me.
[06:32] [tthorbj] - 12:37 -
[06:32] [tthorbj] alkisg: tthorbj: the only "per user freezing" problems I've ever heard of are compiz related... could you try the following command to disable compiz for everyone?
[06:32] [tthorbj] alkisg: !disable-compiz
[06:32] [tthorbj] ltspbot: alkisg: "disable-compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
[06:32] [ltspbot] tthorbj: Error: "alkisg:" is not a valid command.
[06:32] [tthorbj] tthorbj: Thanks, I'll give that a try!
[06:32] [tthorbj] - 12:42 -
[06:32] [tthorbj] tthorbj: It sounds like a reasonable solution. I can log in to the clients with ssh after they crashes. I copied the client logs from the user that crashed mostly here: http://www.t-t.no/log.tar.gz
[06:32] [alkisg] tthorbj: you don't need to repost the previous conversations, they are logged - see the topic for the link
[06:33] [tthorbj] Nice!
[06:35] [tthorbj] Do anyone know about this? http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg37462.html
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[06:36] [tthorbj] "The bigger problem is that the client only boots successfully when using
[06:36] [tthorbj] nbd. We use nfs for stability reasons (nbd became extremely unstable
[06:36] [tthorbj] once more than a few clients were connected - thin clients would freeze
[06:36] [tthorbj] frequently, and could only be brought back to life by hard reset,
[06:36] [tthorbj] unacceptable for a production environment. Back when we set up our first
[06:36] [tthorbj] Ubuntu/LTSP5 server, 8.04 hardy, we reverted back to nfs, which solved
[06:36] [tthorbj] the problem). When I switch the new chroot to nfs (still basically
[06:36] [tthorbj] according to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
[06:36] [tthorbj] ), the thin client does boot up but then apparently cannot mount the
[06:36] [tthorbj] nfsroot, or so it seems - the last output message on the screen is from
[06:36] [tthorbj] scripts/nfs-bottom saying /root/etc/hostname can't be written because
[06:36] [tthorbj] it's a read-only filesystem, then there seems to be a call to mountall
[06:36] [tthorbj] that ends in some sort of timeout. According to the messages on the
[06:36] [tthorbj] screen from mtab, the root is already mounted on /, but it's still
[06:37] [tthorbj] trying to mount / and /tmp and fails."
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[06:37] [tthorbj] It sounds familiar, but strange also - the whole point with thin clients is to have more than just a few...
[06:37] [Comete] hi
[06:38] [Comete] i'm back with my sound problem on thinclients :) maybe someone has an idea
[06:40] [alkisg] tthorbj: nbd problems are not per-user problems... they affect all the users equally.
[06:41] [tthorbj] naturally
[06:41] [ogra] and that staement is clearly wrong
[06:41] [alkisg] (and btw, with the new nbd-proxy application, nbd should be much more stable)
[06:41] [ogra] there are many installs that use nbd in big environments
[06:41] [tthorbj] good to hear!
[06:42] [Comete] i use LTSP 5.2 on Ubuntu Karmic 32bits and my Thinclients are HP t5145 don't get sound at all or just a few seconds and then nothing. I've tried with another thinclient model and with my laptop and it works, so it's just with those HP Thinclients. I've also backported pulseaudio from lucid without success... so any idea is welcome... :)
[06:42] [ogra] find out what sound HW your client has
[06:43] [Comete] Realtek ACL262 chipset
[06:43] [ogra] i remember there were bugs with snd-hda-intel suspending the device ...
[06:43] [ogra] well, check launchpad, probably you find something, it sunlikely to be pulse
[06:43] [ogra] more likely to be the driver
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[06:43] [Comete] sorry ALC262
[06:44] [Comete] ogra: so a kernel upgrade could do the trick ?
[06:44] [ogra] no
[06:44] [ogra] check launchpad
[06:44] [ogra] look if you find any bugs related to the sound driver used
[06:45] [ogra] and possible workarounds
[06:47] [tthorbj] About freezing client: another thing - it crashes when idle ... could it be dpms-related? https://bugs.launchpad.net/xf86-video-siliconmotion/+bug/136853
[06:48] [ogra] didnt you say these clients have VIA hardware ?
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[06:52] [saschas] hy ltsplers, I need help with lxde on ubuntu 9.10, anyone here that can help??
[06:53] [Comete] ogra: bug reported but no workaround :/
[06:57] [saschas] o.k., I'll start: problem 1) lxde on the clients shows logout-reboot-shutdown option, and those shutdown the server. if I logout and use the ldm shutdown all is fine
[06:58] [ogra] saschas, you need to patch lxde to suppress these items
[06:58] [ogra] just make it check if LTSP_CLIENT is set in your environment and not show them if it is there
[06:59] [saschas] hi ogra, how do I do that??
[07:00] [ogra] you either edit the code yourself and rebuild the pats of lxde that needed changing or you file a bug and wait for some lxde developer to fix it :)
[07:00] [ogra] *parts
[07:00] [ogra] its definately a problem of the desktop, not an ltsp one
[07:00] [saschas] xfce does th same and gnome does not start for some xgl error reasons
[07:01] [ogra] !disable-compiz
[07:01] [ltspbot] ogra: "disable-compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
[07:01] [ogra] try that for gnome
[07:01] [ogra] and yes, xfce has a bug open about this issue in launchpad since several years
[07:03] [saschas] oh what a fun :-) o.k. better than $MS
[07:04] [tthorbj] I tried "xset dpms force off; sleep 5; xset dpms force on", and the client freezed for 5 seconds - it didn't respond to mouse movements and so on. Is this normal behaviour?
[07:06] [ogra] saschas, btw: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/65010
[07:06] [ogra] reported on 2006-10-10
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[07:20] [saschas] ogra lots of kisses from belgium, just did the command and all problems are gone. Gnome works, USB does mount an shutdown goes back to ldm so only clients shutsdown :-) Me happy, thanks
[07:20] [ogra] great :)
[07:20] [saschas] but lxde would be cool if it works with ltsp5, nice, light, fast
[07:21] [ogra] indeed
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[07:25] [anivair] morning
[07:25] [anivair] I'm having sound problems (still) and today I want to make a solid push to get them fixed before management decides that they have to buy a few dozen phones to clog up desks here.
[07:26] [anivair] it seems that I'm having sound issues with softphones. So far I've had sound problems with every type of softphone I've used, though the best has been twinkle, which is only stuttery about 10% of the time
[07:27] [anivair] I know that ltsp is using pulseaudio
[07:28] [anivair] and I know that most softphones think they're using alsa (though I get sound on mine and I don't believe that I even have alsa running)
[07:28] [anivair] So i'm not sure a) how I'm getting any sound at all and b) why I'm getting stutters
[07:28] [anivair] Any help would be appreciated here
[07:29] [ogra] alsa is a driver architecture, for sure you have alsa running if you have sound
[07:29] [ogra] pulseaudio is a multiplexing soundserver sitting on top of the driver
[07:29] [anivair] any idea what it would be called? ps aux|grep alsa gives me nothing
[07:29] [anivair] got it
[07:29] [ogra] its a kernel driver
[07:29] [ogra] there wont be a process
[07:29] [anivair] ahh
[07:30] [anivair] there is my issue
[07:30] [anivair] okay, so it's okay for twinkle to use alsa by default. Is the stutter coming from pulseaudio? I don't get the same stutter if I run twinkle on the server.
[07:30] [anivair] but I get it if I run it on a thin client (either off the server or via localapps)
[07:30] [anivair] seems to make no difference
[07:31] [ogra] try prefixing the execution of twinkle with the padsp command
[07:31] [ogra] that will foce it through pulse so you can be sure pulse is used
[07:31] [alkisg] How can I create .debs out of ltsp-trunk (unreleased)? By putting the /debian directory in the source tree, and calling debuild -b -tc -uc? Or is there a more automated way?
[07:32] [ogra] there is a release tool
[07:32] [anivair] "padsp twinkle", or "padsp", "twinkle"?
[07:32] *** ogra forgot how it was called ... )
[07:32] [ogra] anivair, the former
[07:32] [alkisg] ogra, mkdst?
[07:32] [anivair] thanks, I'll give it a shot
[07:32] [ogra] yeah
[07:32] [ogra] mkdst
[07:33] [alkisg] ogra, thanks, I'll try to have a look at it
[07:33] [ogra] warren insisted to have it instead of manually tagging and expüorting from bzr
[07:33] [anivair] (also, is padsp already set to run locally, or will I need to put it into the ltsp image?)
[07:33] [ogra] i never understood the need for it though :)
[07:33] [alkisg] Heh
[07:33] [alkisg] Well if copying the /debian dir is quicker, that'll do just fine for my personal testing needs :)
[07:33] [ogra] anivair, padsp will use whatever PULSE_SERVER points to if its set
[07:34] [ogra] which in case of a thin client routes the sound to the client pulse server
[07:34] [ogra] but if you really want to do VOIP stuff you definately need to use localapps
[07:34] [anivair] so i don't need ot install it into the image to run that command locally?
[07:34] [ogra] network latency is to high otherwise
[07:35] [ogra] yes, you install twinkle in your chroot and run ltsp-update-image
[07:35] [anivair] I installed twinkle locally
[07:35] [ogra] then you start it with the ltsp-localapp prefix
[07:35] [anivair] but will adding padsp to the twinkle command mean I have to install somehting else (padsp, probably)?
[07:35] [ogra] no, padsp should come with pulse
[07:35] [anivair] "ltsp-localapps padsp twinkle"
[07:35] [anivair] thanks
[07:35] [ogra] which is installed by default on every ltsp client
[07:36] [ogra] i'm not sure if you need any special quoting for the localapps command
[07:36] [ogra] alkisg, might know :)
[07:36] *** alkisg isn't using localapps at all, but I can have a quick look at ltsp-genmenu...
[07:36] [anivair] the quotes aren't part of the command itself. just putting them there so you know that's the exact command I'm using
[07:37] [ogra] right, what i mean is something like: ltsp-localapps "padsp twinkle"
[07:37] [anivair] oh, i see
[07:37] [ogra] thats what i'm not sure about :)
[07:37] [anivair] I can try it both ways
[07:38] [anivair] I'm also going ot have to add a script that kills previous twinkle instances before they run it, because a lot of people here are logging out of their session and it isn't killing their local twinkle app
[07:38] [alkisg] ltsp-localapps padsp twinkle without quotes should be fine I believe
[07:38] [anivair] thanks, alkisg
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[07:48] [anivair] huh
[07:49] [anivair] ltsp-localapps padsp twinkle would not run (neither would ltsp-localapps "padsp twinkle" so I opened a localapps xterm and just entered padsp twinkle to see what the deal is and I get no recognition
[07:49] [anivair] padsp: unknown command
[07:49] [ogra] oh, its in the pulseaudio-utils package
[07:50] [ogra] it used to be in pulseaudio once
[07:50] [anivair] so I do need to add that package to the ltsp image?
[07:50] [ogra] right
[07:50] [anivair] because it's on the server, but not in the ltsp image
[07:50] [anivair] well, it'll have to wait a bit, because once I add it, I'll have to rebuild the image and reboot
[07:51] [alkisg] pulseaudio-utils rdepends on pulseaudio on my Lucid... anivair what version do you have? 9.04?
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[07:51] [anivair] 9.10
[07:51] [anivair] I believe
[07:51] [anivair] :checks to make sure that's karmic:
[07:52] [anivair] yup, it is
[07:52] [anivair] pulseaudio should be installed in ltsp by default
[07:52] [ogra] it is
[07:52] [alkisg] Yeah you're right, pulseaudio-utils isn't installed by default on karmic chroots
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