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[00:53] [vagrantc] ok... debian/changelog for ltsp 5.2 started in at around 200 lines ... now down to 84 ... nearly done.
[00:53] *** vagrantc sighs
[00:53] [alkisg] Ouch
[00:54] [vagrantc] a bit more verbose than the ubuntu changelogs :)
[00:54] [alkisg] "Major improvements. For details see `bzr log`." <== done in 1 line :P :D
[00:54] [vagrantc] not sure if the verbosity is good or bad... sure it's a bit of both.
[00:54] [alkisg] I like verbose changelogs, but in reasonable sizes
[00:54] [alkisg] E.g. 20-40 lines..
[00:55] [vagrantc] we should really generate the changelogs for ltsp-trunk and ldm-trunk like we do for ltspfs ...
[00:55] [vagrantc] though debian/changelog is still different than upstream's changelog ...
[00:56] *** panthera nods.
[00:56] *** vagrantc waves to panthera
[00:56] [panthera] i cherrish short (but precise) debian/changelog entries.
[00:56] *** panthera re-waves :)
[00:58] [vagrantc] something worth learning from ubuntu: " * LOTS and LOTS of other fixes and optimizations
[00:58] [vagrantc] "
[00:59] [alkisg] So squeeze will have LTSP 5.2? Is that "scheduled" for 2010?
[00:59] [vagrantc] freeze was planned for march, though sounds likely will be ... later.
[01:00] [alkisg] Nice :)
[01:00] [vagrantc] while there's definitely a push to release more often, thankfully debian still sees bugs in the distribution as what should really determine release :)
[01:01] [vagrantc] (as if there's a unified "debian" view)
[01:01] [alkisg] What I'd like is a timed schedule like Ubuntu's for freezes, followed by debian's "ok done importing, but now we'll release when we're ready" policy :)
[01:02] [vagrantc] seems to be the general direction it's taking
[01:02] [panthera] that would be nice, but it's not feasible these days.
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[01:02] [panthera] (too many rc bugs)
[01:02] [vagrantc] yeah, taking a really broken point is perhaps not the best time to freeze.
[01:02] [vagrantc] it only stalls progress on resolving those issues
[01:03] [alkisg] If many projects started following a 6 months release cycle, it would make freezes easier
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[01:50] [vagrantc] well, just uploaded ltsp 5.2, ldm 2.1 and ltspfs 0.6 to debian :)
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[01:59] [dmarkey_] vagrantc: is fat client mode in that?
[02:05] [vagrantc] dmarkey_: not such that it's just a build flag, but otherwise everything's there... you just have to choose what packages you want in the chroot and set LTSP_FATCLIENT=true.
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[02:09] [vagrantc] probably wouldn't be hard to adapt the ubuntu plugin or kiosk plugins
[02:15] [vagrantc] alkisg: looking at the 030-fat-client plugin, i noticed a comment that /etc/X11/default-display-managergets reset....
[02:15] [vagrantc] i'm guessing that's because you end up with gdm installed ...
[02:16] [vagrantc] any of the display managers that respect /etc/X11/default-display-manager will only support others that properly support default-display-manager ... and so always overwrite it if there is an invalid value.
[02:16] [vagrantc] i.e. a removed default-display-manager...
[02:17] [vagrantc] this has the undesireable affect that there's no way to properly disable that behavior.
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[02:17] [vagrantc] i guess i should file wishlist bugs on all the display managers...
[02:18] [vagrantc] and with that, i sleep.
[02:19] [alkisg] vagrantc: good night
[02:19] [alkisg] (reading...)
[02:20] [alkisg] vagrantc: I don't really understand why wouldn't gdm respect it
[02:20] [vagrantc] alkisg: because you're not following Pax Displayicus Managerius protocols.
[02:20] [alkisg] But I'm writing ldm in /etc/X11/default-display-manager, what more is needed?
[02:20] [vagrantc] an absurd number of hoop-jumping steps.
[02:20] [alkisg] Should I also export $HOCUS_POCUS?
[02:21] [vagrantc] as if it were that easy!
[02:21] [alkisg] Grrr :)
[02:21] [alkisg] At least the second time it works fine :D
[02:21] [vagrantc] until you upgrade gdm or some other *dm in the chroot.
[02:22] [alkisg] I *could* also make a cron job that overwrites that file every X minutes :D
[02:22] [alkisg] From what I read in gdm.postinst, it respects an existing entry there
[02:22] [vagrantc] i think getting the protocol to accept some "DON'T OVERWRITE ME" value would be a good idea.
[02:23] [alkisg] Maybe something else, not gdm, is overwriting that file, but I don't know what it is
[02:23] *** alkisg tries apt-get install --reinstall gdm in a fat chroot...
[02:24] [vagrantc] maybe it's been made smarter ... but in the past it would only accept those DM's that followed lock-step in sync.
[02:24] [vagrantc] or maybe ubuntu handles it differently
[02:24] [alkisg] `lock-step in sync`? I'm not sure I want to know what that is.. :D
[02:25] [vagrantc] http://bugs.debian.org/267198
[02:25] [vagrantc] that was my first exposure to the issue.
[02:26] [alkisg] apt-get install --reinstall gdm did keep the file intact...
[02:26] [alkisg] ...reading the link...
[02:28] [vagrantc] hmmm.
[02:28] [vagrantc] ah well..
[02:28] [vagrantc] maybe if there is no default-display-manager in debconf, gdm assumes that /etc/X11/default-display-manager isn't set?
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[02:29] [alkisg] I think I saw a comment in gdm.postinst that says it wouldn't do that
[02:30] [alkisg] # debconf is not a registry, so we only fiddle with the default file if it
[02:30] [alkisg] # does not exist
[02:30] [vagrantc] well, there's sometimes a difference between intention and implementation :)
[02:30] [vagrantc] at any rate... i'll let you ponder the idea without me :)
[02:30] [alkisg] if [ ! -e $DEFAULT_DISPLAY_MANAGER_FILE ]; then
[02:30] [alkisg] Thanks though :)
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[05:26] [mgariepy] good morning all
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[07:28] [cliebow] ittttsss Gadi!!!!
[07:34] [Gadi] good mornin, cliebow
[07:34] [Gadi] :)
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[08:31] [alkisg] I'm declaring NBD_SWAP=True in lts.conf but my clients don't get an swap partition. If I run the nbd-client command manually, they do get a swap partition. Any hints?
[08:39] [sbalneav] alkisg: Hmmm, something with inetd.conf?
[08:39] [alkisg] sbalneav: if I run the command manually from the client, it works fine
[08:39] [alkisg] So I guess the problem is either in the client, or I'm missing something in lts.conf...
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[08:40] [sbalneav] Maybe we're not hitting that part of the initscripts anymore?
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[08:41] [sbalneav] Didn't some work happen opposite "upstartifying" the initscripts?
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[08:44] [alkisg] Sorry, my box decided to hang when I was trying `eval $(getltscfg -a)`
[08:45] [alkisg] sbalneav: I lost everything except for your first reply...
[08:45] [alkisg] Could you copy/paste whatever you said after that?
[08:49] [sbalneav] Maybe we're not hitting that part of the initscripts anymore?
[08:49] [sbalneav] Didn't some work happen opposite "upstartifying" the initscripts?
[08:50] [alkisg] That might be the problem... I tried to run ltsp-client-setup manually, and it worked fine
[08:50] [alkisg] So either a race, or it doesn't run at all
[08:55] [grantk] Im trying to work through local printing issues, I made it past finding a copy of jetpipe, getting it into my chroot environment with python-serial. I can now telnet to a client at port 9100 with the correct entries in lts.conf, but can not print. Last night I was able to see printed pages when i would do a 'cat /dev/lp0' but the pages would not print. Anyone have seen this before?
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[09:05] [reynolds] alkisg, my itlac stopped working again? opon opening it this morning I got the same message as before, about the service not running or keys broken.
[09:05] [alkisg] reynolds: did you change/install something?
[09:06] [reynolds] i removed totem!
[09:07] [alkisg] yeah, shouldn't matter... :D
[09:07] [alkisg] I'm a little busy right now trying to debug something, if noone else helps you and you have time to wait, I'll be available later on...
[09:08] [reynolds] ok thanks
[09:09] [reynolds] if anyone else knows about i talc and wants to help me out you can check out http://pastebin.com/d283c1708
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[09:24] [mordocai] Hello, I have LTSP successfully set up in a test environment, but have run into a problem. I want the user to be able to log in with LDAP, and then have nothing availible to them but firefox web browser, not even a home directory. I have looked into GNOME and KDE but, playing with both, their lockdown tools appear to be outdated and broken, or otherwise unusable. Any suggestions?
[09:24] [mordocai] Oh, forgot to mention. LDAP works perfectly
[09:27] [alkisg] sbalneav: Hmmm it looks like it's using port NBD_PORT, which is 2000, which is the nbd image port, not the swap port. That's why it isn't working, and that's why I was seeing too many nbd-client instances...
[09:29] [alkisg] That should read "NBD_SWAP_PORT". Testing...
[09:31] [cliebow] mordocai, how about icewm?
[09:35] [mordocai] cilebow: Well, I looked at it. It just seems so light... i'm afraid people who have never used linux before will get turned of from it, thinking linux is still in the windows 95 era. I like a light windows manager for my own use but,in my experience,the "normal user" likes pretty graphics.
[09:35] [mordocai] s/of/off
[09:35] [sbalneav] mordocai: The Gnome lockdown editor, sabayon, is maintained by myself.
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[09:37] [mordocai] sbalnaev: yes, i believe i had a conversation on the sabayon mailing list with you. Various issues, then my work ordered me to try KDE. Now that kde isn't working... i get to try whatever i want again. My e-mail is mordocai@gmail.com, if you want to look it up.
[09:37] [sbalneav] mordocai: you should be able to set up a panel with just a firefox icon on it, and disable the alt-f2 "run" dialogue box.
[09:38] [sbalneav] mordocai: yes, and I beleive I was helping you with your issue when you bailed.
[09:38] [mordocai] sbalnaev: Well, not my choice... but yes.
[09:38] [sbalneav] If you'd like to pick it up again, I'd be happy to help.
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[09:40] [mordocai] Yeah, I'd like to. I always liked gnome better anyway.
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[09:42] [alkisg] sbalneav: some help, please? There's a mixup in the variable names (SWAP_SERVER vs NBD_SWAP_SERVER, NBD_PORT vs NBD_SWAP_PORT) and that's why it doesn't work
[09:42] [alkisg] Should we change the docs + some code, or only some code? :D
[09:43] [sbalneav] So, we're using NBD_PORT in the code where we SHOULD be using NBD_SWAP_PORT?
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[09:43] [sbalneav] Code only then, I'd say :)
[09:44] [alkisg] Well, the docs say otherwise :D
[09:44] [alkisg] E.g. the docs say SWAP_SERVER, and the code uses both SWAP_SERVER and NBD_SWAP_SERVER
[09:44] [cliebow] mordocai, i used icewm and nautilus ..made it pretty workable
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[09:45] [alkisg] sbalneav: the docs say "NBD_PORT" and the code is using both "NBD_PORT" and "NBD_SWAP_PORT"
[09:46] [alkisg] NBD_PORT is also used for the nbd root server (not the swap server)
[09:46] [alkisg] So it's quite misleading
[09:46] [alkisg] (and broken :D)
[09:46] [alkisg] I'd vote to change the docs + the code to NBD_SWAP_PORT, which is less misleading...
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[09:47] [sbalneav] Sounds good to me
[09:47] [alkisg] sbalneav: ok, I'll take care of the code, could you modify the docs?
[09:48] [sbalneav] Sure could
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