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[02:25] [unimatrix9] hello everyone
[02:26] [unimatrix9] i just visited ltsp website , looks as a very sound solution, but i have one question left open, will it run the 3D windows programs , like for example CAD apps?
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[02:38] [knipwim] unimatrix9: would they run in a normal linux desktop?
[02:39] [unimatrix9] windows apps
[02:40] [knipwim] the apps you want to run on the ltsp client
[02:41] [unimatrix9] i have seen on the site that it can run windows apps, so it would be linux desktops and an windows 3D cad program
[02:41] [unimatrix9] mixed so to speak
[02:42] [unimatrix9] school work spot
[02:42] [unimatrix9] so the setup would be 10 workstations, one server for the ltsp
[02:42] [unimatrix9] clients
[02:44] [unimatrix9] the workstations would run a linux desktop, but should also be able to run windows apps like for example 3D cad,
[02:44] [unimatrix9] is this possible ?
[02:46] [knipwim] i don't have any experience with that
[02:46] [unimatrix9] okey
[02:46] [unimatrix9] with what do you have experience ?
[02:47] [knipwim] i'm working on gentoo integration
[02:47] [unimatrix9] ltsp gentoo itegration?
[02:47] [unimatrix9] in
[02:47] [unimatrix9] i see
[02:49] [unimatrix9] then you still have some work to do..
[02:49] [knipwim] indeed :)
[02:51] [unimatrix9] okey , i will not keep you from your work, have a nice day, and keep up the spirit!
[02:51] [unimatrix9] bye bye, thansk for the chat
[02:51] [unimatrix9] bedankt voor de klets
[02:51] [unimatrix9] ::)
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[03:53] [alkisg] stgraber, highvoltage: I'm going to create some start/stop etc substitutes to prevent upstart daemons from starting in the chroot while the ltsp client is building
[03:54] [alkisg] stgraber, highvoltage: I just tried building a fat client with stgraber's ppa in my sources, and I got this:
[03:54] [alkisg] Errors while processing openoffice.org-emailmerge
[03:54] [alkisg] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:54] [alkisg] umount: /opt/ltsp/i386/proc: device is busy.
[03:54] [alkisg] (In some cases useful info about processes that use
[03:54] [alkisg] the device is found by lsof(8) or fuser(1))
[03:55] [alkisg] So I'm going to create those substitutes in /var/lib/ltsp, and put them into $PATH before /usr/sbin.
[04:02] [highvoltage] alkisg: ok
[04:02] [alkisg] Thanks :)
[04:02] [highvoltage] alkisg: thanks!
[04:02] [highvoltage] no thank you, you rock alkisg
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[07:59] [knipwim] hmm, common/095-rootpass overwrites the chroot password if it's set earlier in the build process
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[07:59] [knipwim] errr, it's run always
[08:04] [knipwim] i'm not sure what's a good solution for this
[08:05] [knipwim] add a mock 095-rootpass for Gentoo
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[08:07] [knipwim] giving the common 095-rootpass more options than prompt or not
[08:12] [alkisg] knipwim: what options? I was thinking an option to copy the root's password on the server, from the shadow file... :)
[08:13] [knipwim] in Gentoo's install, a chroot password is already set before the 095-rootpass script runs
[08:14] [knipwim] so, i don't need the server password
[08:15] [alkisg] So if you don't set ROOTPASS, doesn't it keep the same password that you set before?
[08:15] [alkisg] Ah ok I saw it
[08:15] [alkisg] if [ "$ROOTPASS" != "prompt" ]; then
[08:15] [alkisg] ==
[08:15] [knipwim] indeed
[08:16] [alkisg] if [ -z "$ROOTPASS" ]; then
[08:16] [alkisg] If you change it this way, then you could set ROOTPASS="keep"
[08:19] [alkisg] Heh, and from what I'm seeing, fedora / opensuse also don't want to set the root password
[08:19] [alkisg] Maybe we should move that file to Debian/Ubuntu...
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[08:21] [knipwim] sounds even better
[08:23] [knipwim] in Debian, with a symlink to Ubuntu
[08:24] [alkisg] Right
[08:24] [alkisg] Altlinux also has its own version... so I don't see any trouble with the change
[08:26] [knipwim] should i make commit proposal? or are you commiting it?
[08:27] [alkisg] I think you could just go ahead and commit it... since 4 out of 6 distros don't want it in common/, I don't see any point of keeping it there
[08:28] [alkisg] If anyone objects, he can just revert the commit.
[08:29] [knipwim] can i delete the mock rootpass plugins in Fedora and Suse as well?
[08:30] [alkisg] I'm not sure about that, they may want to do it themselves. I don't know... :)
[08:30] [alkisg] (they may even want to keep the notes there)
[08:30] [knipwim] okay
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[09:21] [knipwim] another question, is /var/cache/ltsp-localapps used on the client?
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[09:26] *** alkisg changes course about the upstart daemon handling, instead of setting $PATH, dpkg-divert is adviced: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/430224
[09:27] [alkisg] stgraber: so opposite of what we've said before, I'm going to try dpkg-divert and see if it works.
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[11:19] [thskyt] Good evening!
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[11:29] [thskyt] Is there a chanop in here who might be able to help with a bit of a problem?
[11:36] [johnny] why do you need a chan op?
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[11:44] [thskyt] johnny: because one of the other guys seems to be muted
[11:44] [johnny] everybody is muted who doesn't have a nick registered
[11:45] [johnny] it's not a channel setting, it's a server side setting because of various DOS attacks
[11:45] [thskyt] Ahh, thanks for the clarification. :-)
[11:45] [johnny] yes.. sadly not our fault
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[11:50] [knipwim] johnny: i've been testing ltsp-update-image
[11:50] [knipwim] and it doesn't work out-of-the-box on gentoo
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[11:51] [knipwim] shouldn't the nbd parts be optional in the ltsp-server package via nbd USE?
[11:52] [astbis] test
[11:52] [ogra] thats up to the distro .... where its usualy managed via packaging ... which indeed gentoo doesnt use
[11:56] [johnny] no.. it won't work without nbd
[11:57] [alkisg] How can I use tcpdump to monitor tftp traffic? I can see tcp traffic, but not tftp...
[11:57] [johnny] knipwim, sure, you can make ltsp-update-image dependent on the nbd use flag, or .. we could check for nbd inside ltsp-update-image and install it anyways
[11:57] [johnny] and just tell it that you need nbd to use it
[11:57] [johnny] which could go upstream
[11:57] [johnny] that way we don't force a reinstall of the package
[11:58] [johnny] ogra, do you think it would be OK to check for nbd inside ltsp-update-image ?
[11:58] [ogra] how would you implement that in a distro independent way ?
[11:58] [johnny] look for the nbd device?
[11:59] [johnny] isn't there a way to check for a kernel feature?
[11:59] [ogra] you could only use nbd swap
[11:59] [ogra] and have an nfs chroot
[11:59] [ogra] and since ltsp-update-image is also used for creation of fresh images you cant check for existance of an nbd image
[11:59] *** alkisg brings up the "ltsp configuration file" issue :P :D
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[12:00] [johnny] of course we shouldn't check for an nbd image..
[12:00] [johnny] but isn't there a way to check the running kernel?
[12:00] [jammcq] alkisg: i've used tcpdump many times to watch tftp traffic
[12:00] [jammcq] tcpdump -i eth0 -s0 port 69
[12:01] [alkisg] jammcq: could you tell me the exact parameters? I can't get it right... Thanks!!!
[12:01] [knipwim] johnny: my point was to make the nbd parts in the ebuild optional, and dependent on the use flag
[12:01] [johnny] knipwim, there would be no need if ltsp-update-image checked for nbd
[12:01] [ogra] johnny, you should easily be able to use nbd-client to check for nbd funsctionallity
[12:01] [johnny] ah.. that's what we need the flag for
[12:01] [johnny] knipwim, go ahead and add it to the ebuild
[12:01] [johnny] to conditionally pull in nbd-client
[12:02] [johnny] now i remember :)
[12:02] [knipwim] i meant the ltsp-server
[12:02] [knipwim] there is no easy way for the user to set client use flags
[12:02] [johnny] hmm... yes..
[12:03] [knipwim] except for some quickstart profile hacking
[12:03] [johnny] true.. we could force the kernel to build nbd ..
[12:03] [johnny] yeah.. we should probably sed enable nbd in ltsp-build-client..
[12:03] [johnny] but it doesn't really matter until we switch to dracut
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[12:29] [astbis] Hi. I have trouble getting my clients to login to the server. Clients boot OK, SSH works, but after login the client returns to the login screen. I got i working for a short while. By changing the default session in gdm on the server, but now it is broken again after just 5 min. Any ideas?
[12:30] [alkisg] astbis: check the user's ~/.xsession-errors, and also try disabling compiz for that user
[12:32] [astbis] nothing in the .xsession-errors. How to disable compiz?
[12:32] [astbis] I haven't added compiz as far as i know.
[12:36] [astbis] Thanks for the help by the way.
[12:37] [alkisg] astbis: one quick way to disable compiz: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
[12:38] [jammcq] alkisg: did you get tcpdump working?
[12:38] [alkisg] jammcq: yup, thanks, the problem is that I needed to specify `-i lo` for it to work
[12:38] [jammcq] ah
[12:38] [alkisg] I didn't realize it until I saw your command :)
[12:39] [jammcq] the power of examples :)
[12:39] [alkisg] (I was trying with tftp 10.160.31.10 == localhost to see why it wasn't working... it does work now, but I don't know why!)
[12:40] [astbis] No change :-(
[12:40] [alkisg] astbis: ok. Can you see in /var/log/auth on the server if the session is authorized?
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[12:41] [ogra] check in /var/log/auth.log if you see login attempts for the user at all
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