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[10:04] [Ahmuck] This channel has a draconian irc policy
[10:05] [Ahmuck] anywho, fwiw, changing the compiz settings for only the user affected fixes the upside down letters issue.
[10:07] [johnny] Ahmuck, ?
[10:10] [johnny] Ahmuck, it's not the channel that has any policy
[10:10] [johnny] it's the server
[10:11] [Ahmuck] no other channel set's a ban on any of my nick or nick alisias except this channel
[10:11] [Ahmuck] well, no other channel i'm in
[10:11] [Ahmuck] this one if i'm Ahmuck-Sr won't even allow me to change my nick until i leave, then change and then re-joing
[10:11] [Ahmuck] it's a channel setting
[10:14] [alkisg] Ahmuck: are you talking about this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/441586
[10:15] [Ahmuck] somewhat
[10:15] [Ahmuck] the taskbar, menubar was in the correct position, but the lettering was flipped upside down
[10:16] [Ahmuck] i've got a nvidia based mobo and gpu
[10:16] [alkisg] Yeah, it's a problem with the nvidia proprietary drivers.
[10:16] [Ahmuck] the server has a nvidia based mobo and gpu, so nothing is intel there
[10:16] [Ahmuck] but turning the compiz settings off for myself rather than the server allowed the thin client to connect and the lettering was the same
[10:17] [Ahmuck] i think it may be something monitor related as well?
[10:25] [Ahmuck] alkisg: in other words, it's not really specific to the user, but specific to the machine thier logging into. i like compiz on the server (kinda fancy and all) however when logging in from my office, i can still run full featured desktop but must have compiz turned off. from the lab with older machines/monitors, it works fine
[10:45] [alkisg] Ahmuck: yeah, what you describe is exactly on that bug.
[11:03] [sbalneav] I was under the impression that the nick registration was turned on because the freenode servers were under attack.
[11:07] [Ahmuck] in ltsp or on every channel?
[11:09] [Ahmuck] i'm sooooo bored today
[11:11] [sbalneav] I was under the impression it was all channels.
[11:11] [sbalneav] I have no clue who turned it on, or how to turn it off
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[12:14] [frederickjh] Hi all! Anyone know where to find the language codes to use with LDM_LANGUAGE in the lts.conf file?
[12:15] [sbalneav] They're the standard language codes.
[12:15] [frederickjh] And where would one find a list of them?
[12:16] [sbalneav] Google
[12:17] [sbalneav] locale will also generate them for you
[12:17] [frederickjh] Have you used the LDM_LANGUAGE tag in a lts.conf before.
[12:17] [sbalneav] Yup
[12:17] [frederickjh] What is locale?
[12:17] [frederickjh] a command line command?
[12:17] [sbalneav] locale -a
[12:18] [frederickjh] Thanks.
[12:18] [sbalneav] that will list all your available installed locales
[12:19] [frederickjh] So for Swiss German I would need to add LDM_LANGUAGE=de_CH.utf8 to my lts.conf?
[12:19] [frederickjh] Does that look right?
[12:19] [sbalneav] That's about right.
[12:20] [frederickjh] Thanks! Going to try it now.
[12:20] [sbalneav] assuming that the locales for de_CH.utf8 are installed in the chroot
[12:21] [sbalneav] sbalneav@phobos:~$ sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 locale -a
[12:21] [sbalneav] [sudo] password for sbalneav:
[12:21] [sbalneav] C
[12:21] [sbalneav] en_CA.utf8
[12:21] [sbalneav] POSIX
[12:21] [frederickjh] How do I check that? chroot and run the command above?
[12:21] [sbalneav] I just pasted it.
[12:21] [frederickjh] ok.
[12:22] [frederickjh] nope only english is installed.
[12:23] [sbalneav] ok, then you'll need to install the right stuff in the chroot
[12:23] [frederickjh] I guess I need to chroot in and install them.
[12:23] [sbalneav] yep
[12:23] [frederickjh] I have them installed on the server.
[12:26] [frederickjh] I have used apt-get before but how do I know what the locale packages are called?
[12:26] [alkisg] distro/version?
[12:26] [frederickjh] Karmic Ubuntu
[12:26] [alkisg] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install language-pack-XXX
[12:26] [alkisg] (to get LDM translated...)
[12:27] [alkisg] (where XXX is your country/language code, see in synaptic for the name)
[12:27] [frederickjh] ok will look
[12:29] [frederickjh] You had me confused there for a bit. Since you typed three Xs I thought they would be three character codes, but they are two character codes.
[12:30] [sbalneav] Oout for a bit.
[12:31] [frederickjh] I will need to update the image after installing correct?
[12:31] [alkisg] Right
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[12:37] [frederickjh] Do you also happen to know the format for the TIMEZONE command in lts.conf?
[12:38] [johnny] why are you setting a different tiemzone for your clients than your server?
[12:38] [johnny] /me isn't sure we have that option
[12:38] [johnny] must be some good reason, hoping to hear it now
[12:39] [johnny] sure why we have that option*
[12:39] [frederickjh] I am not but the time on the client at the login screen is always wrong.
[12:39] [johnny] hmm.. wrong time on yoru client pcs then.. tha'ts why
[12:39] [johnny] guess we don't install ntp by default.. that's the problem
[12:39] [frederickjh] I also want to set a time server.
[12:39] [johnny] something like American/New_York i think
[12:39] [johnny] er
[12:39] [johnny] America/New_York
[12:40] [alkisg] Ahmuck: some person is also having difficulties to connect/post here, what did you do to overcome the "cannot send to channel" problem?
[12:40] [frederickjh] I read some where that it looks at the bios of the client pc for the time if you don't set a time zone and time server.
[12:40] [johnny] yep.. that's what happens.. :( forgot we had time on the login screen
[12:40] [johnny] alkisg, you have to register an account wiht nickserv
[12:40] [knipwim] alkisg: i identified my nick with NickServ to overcome it
[12:40] [frederickjh] You need to register you nick to send to the channel.
[12:40] [alkisg] Ah. damianos, ^^^
[12:41] [alkisg] frederickjh: that's the UTC=yes/no option in /etc/default/rcS in the chroot
[12:41] [frederickjh] Ok back to the time zone I have seen 0000 as UTC setting.
[12:41] [alkisg] Modify it, update image, reboot the clients...
[12:42] [alkisg] frederickjh: ^^^ that was about the timezone problem
[12:42] [alkisg] wrong UTC == wrong time
[12:42] [frederickjh] So you saying I can change option in the /etc/default/rcS in the chroot to fix the problem.
[12:43] [alkisg] Yes
[12:43] [frederickjh] So, I can most likely look at my /etc/default/rcS to see what the server is set at.
[12:44] [frederickjh] and set them the same.
[12:44] [alkisg] *if* they have the same bios settings
[12:44] [alkisg] If the have different settings in the BIOS, they'll need different settings for that file
[12:44] [frederickjh] What do you mean by that?
[12:44] [alkisg] But it's just a yes/no flag, so you can just put it the other way from what it is now
[12:44] [frederickjh] Do BIOS have time zone settings?
[12:45] [alkisg] Some of them
[12:45] [frederickjh] Ok, must be on more modern hardware then i have seen.
[12:49] [frederickjh] However, that is only a setting for UTC yes or no. So just setting that to no will set it to the server time?
[12:49] [alkisg] (09:44:51 ¼¼) alkisg: But it's just a yes/no flag, so you can just put it the other way from what it is now
[12:51] [frederickjh] Not sure that is going to help. The rcs file on the server is set no the rcs file on the chroot is set yes. The time on the server is 20:50 while the client login screen reads 05:05. I am +1 here in Switzerland.
[12:53] [alkisg] And the client bios time is?
[12:53] [frederickjh] Let me check
[12:53] [alkisg] Do you have it auto-syncing with an NTP server?
[12:53] [frederickjh] The client?
[12:53] [alkisg] Yes
[12:55] [frederickjh] Bios date and time Sun Feb 7 2010 4:09
[12:55] [frederickjh] Not sure how you get the client to time sync.
[12:55] [alkisg] Ah, then the time is wrong, it's not a timezone problem..
[12:55] [alkisg] Do the clients have direct internet access?
[12:55] [alkisg] (i.e. natting if they're behind the server etc?)
[12:55] [frederickjh] That is what I was trying to do with the TIMEZONE and TIMESERVER settings in the lts.conf
[12:56] [frederickjh] Yes.
[12:56] [alkisg] From what it looks, you don't need a timezone. Just an ntp server
[12:56] [alkisg] Here's what I got:
[12:56] [alkisg] TIMEZONE=Europe/Athens
[12:56] [alkisg] TIMESERVER=91.189.94.4
[12:56] [alkisg] That IP there is the ubuntu timeserver...
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[12:56] [frederickjh] Thanks alkisg.
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[12:59] [frederickjh] Now the time reads 6:13 on the client.
[13:00] [frederickjh] at the login screen.
[13:00] [frederickjh] or is that not the time after ltsp34(192.168.0.34)//
[13:01] [alkisg] Are you sure the client has direct access to the internet?
[13:01] [alkisg] :13 ==> the minutes don't match
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[13:02] [alkisg] Well done damianos_ ;)
[13:02] [frederickjh] I bet you I have to update the bios time to with in 5 minutes of the correct time or the ntp update will not take.
[13:02] [alkisg] frederickjh: no, that's only for windows :D
[13:04] [alkisg] Try to run ntp manually from a client (SCREEN_02=shell) to see what it tells you
[13:04] [alkisg] ntp-update what's the command, I don't remember...
[13:04] [frederickjh] ok
[13:05] [frederickjh] I can't get to the terminal with Ctrl-Alt F1 anymore. They change that with Karmic.
[13:06] [frederickjh] I need to fix that back the way it was.
[13:07] [alkisg] frederickjh: try those in lts.conf:
[13:08] [alkisg] SCREEN_02=shell
[13:08] [alkisg] SCREEN_07=ldm
[13:08] [alkisg] (under [Default])
[13:08] [alkisg] and then press Alt+Ctrl+F2...
[13:08] [frederickjh] Ok I got you.
[13:10] [knipwim] johnny: i'm working on some changes in the profile.qs
[13:11] [frederickjh] Did not work. I need to look up the new keystrokes for this.
[13:11] [knipwim] emerging udev with --newuse seperate, and remove the --newuse from the emerge world
[13:11] [knipwim] and also setting the CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK for all config dirs
[13:12] [alkisg] frederickjh: there aren't any new keystrokes for this...
[13:12] [knipwim] so all config file updates are merged automatically
[13:13] [frederickjh] In Karmic they disable the Ctrl-Alt Backspace and a bunch of other Ctrl-Alt key combinations. I think that this was upstream.
[13:13] [alkisg] frederickjh: if it doesn't work, maybe it's a driver issue?
[13:13] [alkisg] Yes, alt+ctrl+backspace is now alt+ctrl+printscreen+k
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