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[00:00] [panthera] vagrantc: congratulations, btw ;)
[00:00] [vagrantc] panthera: thanks :)
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[02:52] [LumberCartel] Hello folks. In NetBSD, ball has been telling me about this product.
[02:52] [LumberCartel] I'm wondering, is there a Windows-client (similar to the VNC Viewer which is used for RFB)?
[02:52] [LumberCartel] Thanks in advance.
[02:52] [LumberCartel] s/NetBSD/#NetBSD/
[02:54] [ball] hello LumberCartel
[02:55] Nick change: sepski -> sep
[02:55] [LumberCartel] Hello ball.
[02:55] [sep] there are many rfb/vnc clients for windows, tightvnc ultravnc realvnc
[02:55] [LumberCartel] sep: Correct.
[02:56] [cyberorg] LumberCartel, rdesktop?
[02:56] [LumberCartel] Have a link?
[02:56] [LumberCartel] Is "rdesktop" what you folks use for your clients? I thought it was X.
[02:56] [sep] rdesktop is a rdp client tho.
[02:56] [sep] LumberCartel, i thought you asked about rfb..
[02:56] [LumberCartel] Oh, RDP. Doesn't Microsoft own patents on that?
[02:56] [sep] any X server will do. like Xming.
[02:56] [LumberCartel] sep: No. I used RFB as a comparison to try to clarify my question.
[02:56] [sep] sorry.
[02:57] [sep] <- confused
[02:57] [LumberCartel] sep: I was asking if there is a windows-version of the thin-client for LTSP.
[02:57] [LumberCartel] sep: Sorry about that.
[02:57] [sep] LumberCartel, for windows access i use x2go. since i feel that's easier then xming+putty+scripts
[02:57] [sep] but then you need a x2go server as well ofcourse.
[02:57] [LumberCartel] sep: I'm looking for a one-application solution that doesn't require a whole bunch of other stuff to be installed.
[02:58] [LumberCartel] Perhaps I've misunderstood the purpose of LTSP.
[02:58] [sep] and since ltsp is about network booting a client. you can take your windows machine. reboote it and pick pxe in your bios boot meny. and have it be a ltsp client
[02:58] *** LumberCartel glances at ball.
[02:58] [LumberCartel] sep: Hmm. It looks like I've misunderstoon what LTSP is. Heheh.
[02:59] [ball] LumberCartel: I think you've misunderstood what LTSP does.
[02:59] [ball] ;-)
[02:59] [sep] ltsp is a system where you network boot machines and make them a X terminal. if you allready booted windows.. you dont need to boot with ltsp. and you can use whatever X method you like to get your X desktop and applications. Xming, freenx x2go
[02:59] [sep] or run rdp server on linux and use remote desktop connection on windows
[02:59] [sep] or vnc server and any vnc client on windows
[03:00] [LumberCartel] ball: It has become clear to me that I have misunderstood what LTSP is.
[03:00] *** ball nods
[03:00] [LumberCartel] sep: Okay, so LTSP focuses on network booting an OS, so that workstations don't need hard disks?
[03:01] [ball] LumberCartel: what did you think it did?
[03:01] [ball] LumberCartel: they're not workstations, they're just terminals
[03:01] [sep] LumberCartel, well yes ++
[03:01] [ball] (ideally)
[03:01] [LumberCartel] ball: Well, we were discussing what VNC Viewer needs (e.g., audio, encryption, etc.), and then you suggested LTSP.
[03:01] [LumberCartel] sep: So the OS is virtualized on a server, and LTSP provides the thin-client to it?
[03:02] [ball] I /mentioned/ LTSP as an example of a graphical terminal ("thin client") environment
[03:02] [ball] LumberCartel: needn't be virtualised
[03:02] [ball] ...though it could be, if you want.
[03:03] [LumberCartel] sep: Thank you for your time. I appreciate your help.
[03:03] [LumberCartel] ball: It's not really what I'm after. I'm looking for a replacement for VNC (if RFB doesn't evolve) or RDP (because Microsoft holds patents on it).
[03:04] *** ball isn't aware of any alternatives that are open (Sun Ray is closed).
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[03:07] [LumberCartel] Thanks ball.
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[03:30] *** alkisg just wrote a wiki page about remote controlling the clients: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/PasswordlessSSH
[03:32] [appiah] yay \o/
[03:33] [appiah] should that script be included in docs examples or similar?
[03:37] [alkisg] I do have a private ltsp-build-client plugin for that, that does it automatically...
[03:37] [alkisg] I'll ask the other devs later on if they think I should include it upstream, as an option
[03:37] [alkisg] i.e. ltsp-build-client --copy-ssh-keys or something
[04:01] [appiah] that would be really nice
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[04:08] [appiah] ball: alternatives that are open?
[04:08] [appiah] alternative to what?
[04:08] [ball] appiah: I am cold.
[04:09] [ball] appiah: alternatives to VNC for LumberCartel's purposes.
[04:10] [appiah] he wanted to run one application of a linuxserver?
[04:10] [appiah] oh well he left
[04:10] [ball] appiah: No.
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[04:16] [ball] appiah: what made you think he only wanted one app?
[04:35] [appiah] ah nevermind
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[07:35] [Gadi] alkisg: ping
[07:35] [alkisg] Hello Gadi
[07:35] [Gadi] morning
[07:35] [Gadi] saw ur commits
[07:35] [alkisg] Ooops I feel something wrong coming up :)
[07:36] [Gadi] can we remove the now superfluous entries in configure_resolver() in ltsp-init-common
[07:36] [Gadi] ?
[07:36] [alkisg] Ah. /me looks...
[07:36] [Gadi] should speed things up, too (no call to hostname)
[07:36] *** Gadi is on a non-shell-primitive killing spree
[07:37] [alkisg] Heh
[07:38] [Gadi] did u realize that a call to "hostname" takes twice as log as cat /etc/hostname
[07:38] [Gadi] :)
[07:39] [alkisg] We also have a cat something | grep something somewhere, we should also ditch the cat there :D
[07:40] [alkisg] Well we can remove the first if in that function
[07:40] [Gadi] cool
[07:40] [Gadi] I got it
[07:40] [alkisg] But I wonder what other boot methods exist
[07:41] [alkisg] I mean, cases where nfs-bottom/ltsp wouldn't be called...
[07:42] [Gadi] well, then your other code is in the wrong place
[07:42] [Gadi] :)
[07:43] [Gadi] either way, we shouldn't do the same thing twice
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[07:44] *** alkisg notes that he didn't _place_ any coded - just added an if in the existing code ;)
[07:44] [alkisg] *code
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[07:44] [Gadi] hehe - you running for president?
[07:44] [Gadi] ;)
[07:44] [alkisg] Heh
[07:45] [alkisg] It's amazing how easily bugs come out, though... I just added an innocent looking if, and on the next boot, my hostname was blank!
[07:46] [alkisg] I didn't see that `. /tmp/net-*.conf` was modifying HOSTNAME in the mean time...
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[07:49] [_UsUrPeR_] Gadi: ping!
[07:52] [Gadi] _UsUrPeR_: pong
[07:53] [_UsUrPeR_] Gadi: heyyy :)
[07:53] [_UsUrPeR_] ok, remember the issues I was having with mic boost?
[07:53] [Gadi] yeah
[07:56] [_UsUrPeR_] ok, so I had set up a script in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d
[07:57] [_UsUrPeR_] it was an alsactl command which restored previous alsamixer settings from /opt/ltsp/i386/asound.state
[07:57] [_UsUrPeR_] unfortunately, it has proved intermittant
[07:57] [_UsUrPeR_] sometimes it works, sometimes it does not
[08:01] [_UsUrPeR_] I'm trying to figure out how that could ben
[08:01] [_UsUrPeR_] s/ben/be
[08:02] [Gadi] intermittent = works on some boots and not others OR works and then doesn't when x initializes again
[08:04] [Gadi] also, it might help if you put some debugging stuff in ur script - like a nice: echo "Restoring alsa..." >/tmp/debug
[08:04] [Gadi] right before the command
[08:04] [Gadi] and then have ur command do a: 2>>/tmp/debug
[08:04] [Gadi] so stderr goes to that file, too
[08:05] [alkisg] Gadi, how would you feel about making this (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/PasswordlessSSH) an ltsp-build-client option? Any security concerns?
[08:05] [Gadi] then, when it doesn't work, you can look at /tmp/debug
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[08:07] [alkisg] DNS_SERVER without SEARCH_DOMAIN, cool :)
[08:07] [Gadi] alkisg: it's definitely a security risk
[08:08] [Gadi] but, the more philosophical question is
[08:08] [alkisg] Gadi: but I think DNS_SERVERS are space-separated... (from udhcpc)
[08:08] [Gadi] whether we feel comfortable having security holes as *options*
[08:08] [Gadi] which I am always for :)
[08:08] [alkisg] :)
[08:08] [Gadi] as long as the risks are noted to the admin
[08:09] [_UsUrPeR_] gadi: sorry. intermittant = works on some boots but not others
[08:09] [Gadi] like, with this plugin, anyone can mount your image and get the LTSP server's host key and use it to compromise the system
[08:09] [Gadi] :)
[08:09] [alkisg] Gadi, it only takes the *public* key...
[08:09] [alkisg] How would he compromise the system?
[08:09] [Gadi] oh, yeah
[08:09] [Gadi] look at that
[08:10] [Gadi] :)
[08:10] *** Gadi reads too quickly
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