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[00:08] [Ryan52] vagrantc: looks like there's no soname bump in any of the deps recently..
[00:09] [Ryan52] anyways, /me uploads to backports even when he doesn't have to :P
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[01:08] [vagrantc] Ryan52: by recent, do you mean since july?
[01:08] [vagrantc] Ryan52: that was the last ltspfs upload...
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[01:11] [alkisg] If I call ltsp-build-client on Debian, will I get localized ldm out of the box, or do I need to manually install language-pack-el like on Ubuntu?
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[01:13] [alkisg] If I call ltsp-build-client on Debian, will I get localized ldm out of the box, or do I need to manually install language-pack-el like on Ubuntu?
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[02:45] [vagrantc] alkisg: it'll be localized, unless you need special fonts
[02:45] [vagrantc] alkisg: at least, that's my theory.
[02:45] [alkisg] Nice... damn Ubuntu, I need to make a plugin to automatically install at least the server's locale :)
[02:45] [vagrantc] the chroot will support whatever locales the server supported out of the box
[02:46] [vagrantc] not sure how it handles defaults, what ldm does... but i think it does "the right thing"
[02:47] [alkisg] I thought so too. Unfortunately Ubuntu doesn't install language-pack-XX so ldm isn't tranlated by default
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[03:00] [ogra] alkisg, i'm asking for years now to remove LDM locales from the langpackas and leave it in the package, so the existing locale-gen plugin generates the translations on the fly
[03:01] [ogra] iirc the code needed in the ldm packaging was even added at some point, check with stgraber, probably it was accidentially dropped or so
[03:04] [alkisg] ogra, thanks, I'll check
[03:04] [alkisg] It'll be nice to have ltsp-build-client generate a localized chroot out of the box
[03:04] [ogra] yes
[03:04] [alkisg] BTW, I'm running googleearth, teeworlds etc on a fat client right now. Great success!!!
[03:04] [ogra] there are some runes you can add to debian/rules so the messages stay in the package
[03:04] [alkisg] ...and I love all the automization that ldm offers for schools
[03:05] [ogra] a locale-gen el run (which is what the plugin should do if nobody changed my code) should then generate the translations on the fly
[03:05] [alkisg] I wonder if we can make it reload lts.conf on logout... :)
[03:06] [ogra] you can but wont gain much from it
[03:06] [ogra] most of the env vars are read by the initscripts
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[03:07] [alkisg] LDM_USERNAME/PASSWORD is a nice start
[03:07] [alkisg] Provides autologin per hour (==class)
[03:07] [alkisg] Very useful for kids < 12 y.o.
[03:07] [ogra] well, make sure these are *only* read by the screen script and you're in business
[03:08] [ogra] and indeed you need to make sure to still know the tftp address etc
[03:08] [ogra] so that needs to be stored somewhere
[03:10] [alkisg] I'll give it some thought and see if I can come up with a good proposal/code
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[06:32] [scottmaccal] moring all.
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[06:40] [alkisg] Is it possible to have gdm installed (not active) in the chroot, while keeping ldm as the default display manager?
[06:41] [vagrantc] SCREEN_07=ldm
[06:41] [vagrantc] :)
[06:41] [alkisg] Erm, what? :)
[06:41] [alkisg] Isn't that by default?
[06:42] [alkisg] When gdm is installed, it messes with the xsession scripts and it breaks something?
[06:42] [vagrantc] alkisg: ltsp_config has code to detect if gdm/kdm/some-other-dm are installed, and if so, assumes you want to use that instead.
[06:42] [vagrantc] on the premise that if you went through the trouble to add those, you probably did so for a reason.
[06:42] [alkisg] Aaaah ok that's why it didn't work then !
[06:43] [alkisg] Sure... "apt-get purge gdm" also removes ubuntu-desktop -> that's a good reason not to purge it :D
[06:43] [vagrantc] and all that detection code doesn't kick in if you set *any* SCREEN* code.
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[06:44] [vagrantc] er, SCREEN_XX variables
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[06:44] [alkisg] Got it. Heh, I tried `rm /etc/X11/default-display-manager` and now I have both gdm and ldm :P
[06:44] [vagrantc] though, gdm isn't probably aware of ldm at all, so you'd have to configure it manually to not start.
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[06:45] [alkisg] gdm does look at /etc/X11/default-display-manager, so I can get it not to start from there
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[06:45] [vagrantc] could write some hooks in ltsp to write to /etc/X11/default-display-manager to enable/disable appropriately.
[06:46] [alkisg] Nice, if I manually get it working properly I'll try to see about the needed hooks
[06:48] [alkisg] (basically, it should at least start if /etc/X11/default-display-manager contains "ldm")
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[07:08] [alkisg] Thank you vagrantc, I patched ltsp_config to check if $(cat default-display-manager)=ldm, and it works fine.
[07:08] [alkisg] I'll commit this later on today if noone objects
[07:10] [alkisg] (I would also be nice if ldm.postinst actually put /usr/sbin/ldm in that file, but I don't mind, I'll do it from the fat client script)
[07:13] [vagrantc] alkisg: well, really, it would be about implementing "Pax Displayicus Managerius", a poorly documented, remarkably implemented, rather complex standard for how display managers should futz with that file.
[07:13] [vagrantc] alkisg: the ldm-like thing i worked on before i was involved in LTSP has a bug about it from way back when...
[07:14] [alkisg] Heh!
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[07:19] [vagrantc] alkisg: http://bugs.debian.org/267198
[07:21] [alkisg] ugh, dinosaurs still exist :)
[07:22] [vagrantc] this isn't a dinasaur, it is a monster that breathes fire and can turn you to stone.
[07:23] [vagrantc] i've put that on my back-most burner.
[07:23] [vagrantc] "sure would be nice if it... oh yeah, that's *insane*. nevermind."
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[07:43] [sbalneav] Morning all
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[07:44] [sbalneav] Pax Vobiscum
[07:44] [vagrantc] is that what you call it
[07:45] *** vagrantc got sucked into another round of dgkfbsdtsp
[07:45] [sbalneav] oderint dum metuant
[07:45] [sbalneav] "let them hate, so long as they fear"
[07:46] [CAN-o-SPAM] !s
[07:46] [ltspbot] CAN-o-SPAM: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:47] *** vagrantc welcomes back ltspbot
[07:47] [CAN-o-SPAM] !c
[07:47] [ltspbot] CAN-o-SPAM: Error: "c" is not a valid command.
[07:48] [CAN-o-SPAM] rats!
[07:48] [sbalneav] Aude, Vide, Tace
[07:48] [sbalneav] "Hear, See, and be Silent"
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[08:42] [grey-monkey1] I'm getting a ca-certificates-java error when I tried to install openoffice (chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64 apt-get install openoffice.org). Has anyone else ran into this problem?
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[08:50] [mgariepy] good morning everybody !
[08:58] [KaRoe] Hi, I'm running an xulrunner app on ltsp. xulrunner work the same like firefox. So whenever I reboot my client, and try to start this app I get an error saying it's already running... anybody had this with firefox?
[08:58] [cliebow] anyone using neoware stuff for clients?
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