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[00:21] [alkisg] Is there any way to call ltsp-build-client so that it uses a specific directory (with mount --bind) for package caching?
[00:22] [alkisg] mount-package-cache only works when both the chroot and the server and the same arch, doesn't it?
[00:22] [alkisg] *are of
[00:25] *** alkisg creates a new plugin, 040-mount-package-dir...
[00:30] [Appiah] package caching?
[00:31] [alkisg] Yeah, to try ltsp-build-client multiple times without downloading everything from scratch over and over again...
[00:31] [Appiah] oh
[00:31] [alkisg] There are some other options, but I didn't find any easy/good one
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[01:02] [vagrantc] gah. alkisg.
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[01:41] [vagrantc] alkisg: yeah, i noticed a few of the strings from ALTlinux and some of the other distros ... probably should have fixed those too.
[01:42] [vagrantc] alkisg: but should be "fixed" for debian and ubuntu.
[01:42] [alkisg] vagrantc: maybe it would be better to have a sourced file with some common strings, so that they're not duplicated between distros?
[01:42] [vagrantc] alkisg: using --mount-package-cache will partially work
[01:43] [vagrantc] alkisg: but when you apt-get clean on the server, it'll remove any packages it doesn't know about (i.e. for other architectures)
[01:43] [alkisg] I have an amd64 server and I want an i386 chroot, will that work?
[01:43] [alkisg] Ah ok that'll do fine for me
[01:43] [vagrantc] and some packages will be saved no matter what
[01:43] [vagrantc] architecture: all
[01:44] [alkisg] Ah, kernels and stuff, I see...
[01:44] [vagrantc] alkisg: it has the unpleasant side-effect of locking the cache dir, so that you can apt-get install/update/upgrade on the server while the chroot is using it
[01:44] [alkisg] vagrantc: I created a --mount-package-dir plugin, would you be interested in putting it to debian so that then we can symlink from ubuntu?
[01:45] [vagrantc] alkisg: as far as a better way to manage the strings, the quoting may get a little tricky.
[01:45] [alkisg] I'm testing it as we speak, and if one other devs wants it, I'll commit it in a few days...
[01:45] [alkisg] *any, not one
[01:45] [vagrantc] alkisg: couldn't you just add it as a feature to the --mount-package-cache plugin?
[01:45] [alkisg] It needs a parameter, so no
[01:45] [alkisg] (the directory)
[01:46] [vagrantc] alkisg: shouldn't be hard to adapt.
[01:46] [vagrantc] alkisg: the plugin can take multiple --* options that behave differently
[01:46] [vagrantc] but the code would be otherwise identical...
[01:47] [alkisg] vagrantc: http://ltsp.pastebin.com/m1f9b4f61
[01:48] [alkisg] I guess that if someone specifies /var/cache/apt as the plugin parameter, then it does exactly the same as the current --mount-package-cache
[01:49] [alkisg] Is there some other option necessary?
[01:49] [vagrantc] alkisg: basically, we could replace the current plugin with yours, and add behavior that sets MOUNT_PACKAGE_DIR=/var/cache/apt/archives when called as --mount-package-cache
[01:50] [alkisg] Ah, put 2 options on the same plugin? Sure, no problem
[01:50] [vagrantc] right.
[01:50] [vagrantc] since the code is basically identical
[01:50] [alkisg] OK, I'll do that, test it, and talk to you again before any commiting
[01:50] [vagrantc] of course, this adds another translation string
[01:50] [alkisg] Thanks!
[01:51] [alkisg] Heh... a chance to fix the other caps/dots :D
[01:51] [vagrantc] though how useful is it really to have another directory?
[01:52] [alkisg] Well, you can transfer it (e.g. I need to transfer it for a demo),
[01:52] [alkisg] you can safely update the server while building the chroot,
[01:52] [alkisg] you can safely just "rm" it when you're done testing...
[01:54] [alkisg] But sure, I didn't know that I could use mount-package-cache safely on different architectures, so it seems less useful now :)
[01:54] [vagrantc] alkisg: heh. makes sense to default KEEP_PACKAGES=true :)
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[01:55] [vagrantc] i guess there are corner cases where you might not want to... but very few.
[01:55] [alkisg] One can unset it in those cases, I'd guess...
[01:56] [vagrantc] KEEP_PACKAGES=${KEEP_PACKAGES:"true"} or whatever the syntax is
[01:56] [alkisg] OK, I'll do that
[01:56] [vagrantc] KEEP_PACKAGES=${KEEP_PACKAGES:-"true"}
[01:57] [alkisg] Debian/090-clean-package-cache: if [ "true" != "$KEEP_PACKAGES" ] && [ "true" != "$MOUNT_PACKAGE_CACHE" ]; then
[01:57] [alkisg] The mount-package-cache *forces* not cleaning the cache...
[01:57] [vagrantc] alkisg: ah, there's a special case for not cleaning it with MOUNT_PACKAGE_CACHE
[01:57] [vagrantc] alkisg: better to do it with a variable...
[01:57] [alkisg] So I should also special-case it in Debian/090-clean-package-cache as well?
[01:58] [vagrantc] alkisg: let's drop the special casing, and just use KEEP_PACKAGES.
[01:58] [alkisg] Wouldn't it be simpler for the user to just run KEEP_PACKAGES=false ltsp-build-client .... if he wanted the "corner cases"?
[01:58] [alkisg] OK, I agree
[01:59] [vagrantc] simpler code, more flexible.
[02:00] [alkisg] So to sum up, I modify the existing file to add a "dir" option (or not?), I put KEEP_PACKAGES=${KEEP_PACKAGES:-true}, and I ditch the special casing.
[02:00] [vagrantc] alkisg: sounds good to me!
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[02:00] [alkisg] OK, testing... (and thanks)
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[05:32] [waranha] which folder I set the BACKGROUNDS in LTSP?
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[07:33] [mgariepy] good morning all
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[07:40] [stgraber] hey mgariepy
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[07:59] [jelly-bean] is there a way i can send a message to all the thin clients
[07:59] [jelly-bean] e.g. warning them of a pending reboot
[07:59] [alkisg] jelly-bean: distro/version?
[07:59] [jelly-bean] ubuntu karmic
[08:00] [alkisg] iTalc or some hackish script which forces the clients x displays to accept the message
[08:00] [alkisg] also ssh...
[08:00] [alkisg] ...and there's a wiki page about it I think
[08:03] [sbalneav] crumb. I gotta get the bot back online...
[08:03] [sbalneav] grrr
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[08:07] [sbalneav] !s
[08:07] [ltspbot] sbalneav: "s" :: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[08:08] [sbalneav] fixed
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[08:09] [sbalneav] jelly-bean: This has been covered several times on the mailing list, I beleive.
[08:09] [etyack] !e
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[08:37] [bieb1] ?
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[08:41] [jammcq] bom dia meu amigos
[08:41] [CAN-o-SPAM_] hi jammcq!
[08:41] [jammcq] how's all my friends doing?
[08:42] [CAN-o-SPAM_] jammcq: if you would like to join us here: http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/prod/training/ltspBootCamp.html , we would love to have you.
[08:42] [jammcq] hmm, cool
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[09:25] [prpplague] jammcq: hey bud, what's cookin?
[09:25] [jammcq] prpplague: hey
[09:25] [jammcq] how you doing?
[09:25] [prpplague] jammcq: not too bad
[09:25] [jammcq] you still around Dallas?
[09:26] [prpplague] jammcq: yep, ended up going into biz for myself back in august
[09:26] [prpplague] jammcq: and you?
[09:26] [jammcq] oh wow
[09:26] [jammcq] i'm still up here in good old COLD michigan
[09:27] [prpplague] http://www.rad-tech-labs.com
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[09:28] [jammcq] prpplague: nice
[09:28] [jammcq] prpplague: business good?
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[09:29] [prpplague] jammcq: so far pretty decent, still working on the marketing/sales side of things
[09:29] [jammcq] cool
[09:30] [jammcq] nice clean website
[09:30] [jammcq] I like that
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[09:31] [prpplague] jammcq: yea, didn't want something hard to navigate
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