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[01:39] *** alkisg tries the fat client plugin for the 3rd time... :(
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[04:13] [markit] hi, debian sid, stable ltsp chroot, I've LTSP_CONFIG=True in lts.conf, but can't find doc about it's meaning, any clue?
[04:19] [markit] and I've pressed ctrl+alt+f1 and I'm in the console login, but does not let me login with username and password I've just used for X login
[04:19] [markit] ok, seen in teh doc :)
[04:20] [markit] only the first question remains :) (ltsp_config stuff)
[04:23] [alkisg] markit: why would you need LTSP_CONFIG? What do you want to do?
[04:23] [markit] alkisg: is in the default config, and I don't want to remove since I don't know what is there for
[04:23] [markit] I've looked ad man lts.conf but is not mentioned
[04:24] [markit] nor in the upstream ltspmanual.pdf (probably is a debian stuff)
[04:24] [markit] alkisg: do you use debian also?
[04:24] [alkisg] markit: if ! boolean_is_true "$LTSP_CONFIG" ; then
[04:24] [alkisg] . /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config
[04:24] [alkisg] fi
[04:24] [alkisg] That's its meaning... no I'm not using Debian
[04:25] [markit] alkisg: so? I'm not a guru... skips a config file in /usr/share..? why on earth should be put there?
[04:25] [alkisg] markit: that's all I know about it :)
[04:25] [markit] alkisg: well, thanks a lot :)
[04:27] [alkisg] markit: btw, that file is in the chroot, so: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config
[04:28] [alkisg] # set to determine if ltsp_config has already been sourced
[04:28] [alkisg] export LTSP_CONFIG=${LTSP_CONFIG:-"True"}
[04:28] [markit] ah, because I have in "host" /usr/share/ltsp/, so thought I could create a ltsp_config file there, but seemd of no usefull use
[04:28] [markit] what is the file you are finding this code into?
[04:28] [alkisg] /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config
[04:28] [markit] I mean, where did you find "if ! boolean_is_true "$LTSP_CONFIG" ; then" etc?
[04:29] [alkisg] That was in ltsp-trunk/client/screen-x-common
[04:29] [alkisg] So I guess this whole LTSP_CONFIG thing is the equivelant of #ifdef / #include that C uses
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[04:31] [markit] yes, can't understand the logic... since is set to =True by default, means it skips all the /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/ltsp_config stuff
[04:31] [markit] but there is a lot of settings there... in any case, it works :)
[04:39] [alkisg] markit: so I guess with LTSP_CONFIG=True in lts.conf you're saving some milliseconds, as this script runs one additional time :)
[04:40] [alkisg] *doesn't run an additional time
[04:45] [markit] alkisg: what distro (host distro) do you use? ubuntu?
[04:45] [alkisg] markit: yup
[04:46] [markit] have you tried to install a more recent kernel in chroot environment?
[04:46] [markit] I've a eeebox that requires a driver that is only in recent (2.6.30) kernel
[04:46] [alkisg] Yeah sure lots of times
[04:46] [alkisg] I recently learned that it's even "normal" to have more recent distro versions in the chroot :)
[04:47] [alkisg] I.e. you could have a squeeze chroot on a lenny server
[04:47] [markit] I've a bit confused by the info I've got from internet, and me being ignorant in linux way of manage kernels/boots/initram whatever
[04:47] [markit] alkisg: in fact, I've a sqeeze chroot in a sid server :)
[04:47] [markit] btw, dist=testing did not worked, had to say dist=sqeeze
[04:48] [markit] I've tried dist=sid but at the moment dependencies seem to be broken, and I don't know how to fix since the installation did not finished
[04:48] [markit] in any case
[04:48] [markit] from a sqeeze chroot
[04:48] [markit] do I have to simply chroot in /opt/ltsp/i386
[04:49] [markit] aptitude update && aptitude install newkernel ?
[04:49] [alkisg] Won't you need to change your sources to find the new kernel?
[04:49] [markit] do I need a ltsp-kernel-rebuild from the server then?
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[04:49] [alkisg] No no no rebuilds needed
[04:49] [markit] alkisg: yes, sure, add sid sources
[04:50] [alkisg] It sounds fine to me (just be careful not to update the whole chroot to sid :))
[04:50] [markit] no? but then tfpt will point to old kernels, no?
[04:50] [alkisg] Remember to run ltsp-update-kernels afterwards
[04:50] [alkisg] That'll update the kernels in the tftp dir
[04:50] [markit] ah, yes, update kernels
[04:51] [markit] chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 update-initramfs -u isn't needed also?
[04:52] [alkisg] Afaik there's a hook that takes care of this, so it shouldn't be needed
[04:52] [markit] and no need for mount -t proc /proc /proc ?
[04:53] [markit] my problem is that I've a mix of info, don't knwo what are obsolete, what are not for debian, etc
[04:53] [alkisg] I'm not sure if the postinst of the new kernel needs it. Better do it, just in case.
[04:53] [alkisg] !docs
[04:53] [ltspbot] alkisg: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
[04:53] [alkisg] ^^^ all the info there should be up to date
[04:53] [alkisg] (mostly :D)
[04:54] *** alkisg reboots to test the new ltsp fat-client script, brb...
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[05:42] [scottmaccal] Morning all.
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[05:44] [sbalneav] Morning all. I'll be afk most of the day, as I'll be in a management training course most of the day
[05:45] [scottmaccal] Ahh, management.
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[06:01] [markit] mmm I've got a series of "grep: /proc/modules: No such file or directory" during kernel installation
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[06:15] [markit] ok, the mount -t /proc stuff is needed
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[06:17] [_UsUrPeR_] g'morning all
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[06:23] [markit] in the manual there is a chapter "using nfs instead of nbd", but I want to do the opposite, any tip?
[06:23] [markit] (debian uses nfs by default)
[06:25] [alkisg] markit: I think if you follow it the other way around, you should be fine. See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWithoutNFS
[06:28] [alkisg] highvoltage: in the 010-fat-client script, e.g. ubuntu-desktop is installed, then gdm is removed (and that also removes ubuntu-desktop) and then `apt-get autoremove` is executed, which removes almost everything that was installed by ubuntu-desktop... ?
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[06:33] [markit] alkisg: thanks, I have to improve my skill in retriving info from internet :(
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[06:34] [alkisg] markit: mainly the upstream docs, and that UbuntuLTSP wiki (even if it's mainly Ubuntu-oriented) are the best sources I found
[06:34] [markit] alkisg: btw, considering that with nfs there is no need of ltsp-image-build (or whatever) at every lts.conf change, I wonder if does worth the trouble
[06:35] [alkisg] markit: I imagine the client will need about half the time for booting... and that's about it. But if you also want localapps, the speed after the booting will also be affected...
[06:35] [markit] alkisg: the link about "withoutNFS" tells just that THEY have dropped nfs and how to restore, sigh
[06:35] [alkisg] Yes, again, you need to do the opposite :)
[06:35] [markit] there is no "opposite" possible
[06:35] [alkisg] Why not?
[06:36] [markit] root_write_method="bind_mounts" instead of "unionfs", but my setup is "", that means that a) bind_mounts is the default b) has to be defined elsewhere
[06:37] [alkisg] purge nfs from the chroot, put root_write_method="", remove /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/ltsp, regenerate initramfs etc
[06:37] [highvoltage] alkisg: hmm, one moment..
[06:37] [markit] purge nfs from the chroot? or from the server?
[06:38] [alkisg] Well never mind, leave it without purging :D
[06:38] [alkisg] It shouldn't make any difference
[06:39] [alkisg] highvoltage: an idea is to "analyze" all the ubuntu-desktop dependencies, then `grep -v` gdm*, networkmanager* etc, and install what packages are left...
[06:40] [alkisg] markit: the Debian-wise people are usually here later on, e.g. in about 10 hours...
[06:45] [markit] alkisg: thanks (was on the phone, back now)
[06:45] [highvoltage] alkisg: what you're saying is making complete sense, I'm just trying to figure out why it worked for me and stgraber :)
[06:47] [alkisg] highvoltage: hmm maybe by default it's ran as a task, while I had to run it manually with apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[06:48] [alkisg] Ah, no...
[06:48] [stgraber] that's interesting, I didn't see the issue though I perfectly understand why it'd happen
[06:48] [highvoltage] alkisg: just to be clear, what happened is that the autoremove removed *everything* that was originally installed by the ubuntu-desktop meta-package?
[06:49] [stgraber] highvoltage: we should actually do: tasksel --install ubuntu-desktop instead of the apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[06:49] [stgraber] that should avoid that kind of issue
[06:49] [highvoltage] indeed. still just weird that it didn't happen with us :)
[06:49] [stgraber] yep
[06:49] [alkisg] highvoltage: I'm not really sure. After the 3-4 problems I experienced and the workarounds I had to do, I was left with a chroot without edubuntu-desktop. So I tried to run the script commands manually, and that's what I got
[06:50] [alkisg] stgraber: but that won't work with edubuntu-desktop, will it?
[06:50] [stgraber] edubuntu-desktop also exists as a task
[06:50] [alkisg] tasksel --task-packages edubuntu-desktop ==> nothing
[06:50] [stgraber] weird
[06:51] [stgraber] ah, right, edubuntu-desktop-gnome
[06:51] [alkisg] Ah, better :)
[06:51] [alkisg] OK, /me tries manually with tasksel...
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[06:53] [alkisg] :( it downloads them all even though most of them are already install, this will take some time.... :-/
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[07:34] [mgariepy] good morning all
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[07:39] [dro] cisco vpn issue, it's probably something simple I just don't see it
[07:45] [Appiah] hmm?
[07:47] [dro] i've ran the cisco asa asdm vpn wizard and I can actually connect to the vpn now
[07:47] [dro] problem is that I can't see the inside network
[07:47] [alkisg] highvoltage, stgraber: apt-get --force-yes -yy --purge remove gdm network-manager.* modemmanager ubufox apport-gtk apport apport-symptoms jockey-common jockey-gtk
[07:47] [alkisg] E: Couldn't find package network-manager.*
[07:47] [dro] lol wrong room lol
[07:47] [dro] sorry
[07:47] [alkisg] Maybe that's why it worked for you, I think I corrected that manually ...
[07:47] [Appiah] dro: :D
[07:48] [dro] <----tired
[07:48] [dro] lol
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