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[07:26] [noob21] hi, does anyone know where i can get help w/ rdesktop?
[07:26] [noob21] is there an irc channel?
[07:27] [Gadi1] they have a forum on sourceforge.net
[07:27] [Gadi1] and mailing list
[07:28] [noob21] that's it?
[07:28] [Gadi1] go to: www.rdesktop.org
[07:28] [Gadi1] and follow the links
[07:28] [noob21] thanks
[07:28] [Gadi1] 'fraid so
[07:28] [Gadi1] no irc channel that I am aware of
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[07:49] [sbalneav] Morning all!
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[07:49] [sbalneav] Morning Gadi1
[07:49] Nick change: Gadi1 -> Gadi
[07:49] [Gadi] ah, thats better
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[07:51] [muzzio] guys, there is some way to disable the grafical thin-client boot on fedora?
[07:51] [muzzio] the thin-client is freezing, so I need this boot on the text line...
[07:52] [Gadi] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=59537
[07:52] [Gadi] as sbalneav says, GIYF
[07:59] [muzzio] ok! thanks Gadi
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[08:05] [garymc] Hi guys anyone know how i can resett my my phpmyadmin user and password, i seem to have forgotten them
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[08:31] [^Willie^] this channel is also for freenx ?
[08:31] [^Willie^] if no where must i go to then :S
[08:32] [sbalneav] ^Willie^: No, we don't support freenx here.
[08:33] [^Willie^] this http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg18862.html
[08:33] [^Willie^] did bring me here
[08:33] [sbalneav] Some of us know about it, but it's not a freenx support channel. I don't know if there is one
[08:33] [^Willie^] i wana know something about an insecure bug from the freenx developers
[08:33] [^Willie^] it destroyed 4 days of work at here today
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[08:34] [sbalneav] ^Willie^: well, for something like that, you definitely won't find it here :)
[08:34] [^Willie^] ahh nice app lets test it .. login as new kde session fine... login shared desk.. freenx drops the connection says the client server says client disconnect and i stop the server and it did kill "all" running kde sessions
[08:35] [^Willie^] client and service point at each other and say he disconnect but who realy disconnect dunno i expect freenx daemon
[08:35] [^Willie^] http://pastebin.com/m2b80ffa9
[08:36] [^Willie^] also dunno why some kernel parameters are updated afther installing/starting freenx
[08:36] [^Willie^] this behavour and the story about freenx give me a realy bad taste
[08:36] [^Willie^] sounds to wonderfull :S and it whas indeed
[08:37] [^Willie^] anyway guess i can better forget freenx and upgrade my 100mbit lan to gbit and start using vnc then
[08:37] [^Willie^] in other wordts no rdesk at this place
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[08:41] [sbalneav] Well, like I say, if you have concerns about a freenx bug, you'd be best to ask the freenx developers
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[08:41] [^Willie^] lol right if they where at some irc network yes
[08:42] [^Willie^] i don't line burocratic systems like some mailing list when there are better tools for discussion
[08:42] [^Willie^] like*
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[08:48] [^Willie^] sbalneav: the one's here who know about freenx do they know where i can goto ?
[08:49] [^Willie^] i'm asking my self why are these folks so hard to find if the wana do opensource projects :S
[08:49] [alkisg] ^Willie^: so for kernel problems, you ask Linus?
[08:49] [sbalneav] Well, I *think* johnny's done some playing with freenx, but he's not here now.
[08:50] [^Willie^] alkisg added -> ignorelist : no reason
[08:50] [^Willie^] sbalneav: hmmzz ok
[08:50] [^Willie^] guess best option atm is wait for johnny then
[08:51] [^Willie^] happy this did happend at my devbox at home and not at work else there whas a real issue right now
[08:52] [^Willie^] sbalneav: anyway thnx
[08:52] [sbalneav] Wait, what? you added alkisg to you're ignore list?
[08:53] [^Willie^] i`m not in the mood for games sbalneav
[08:53] [^Willie^] i have a vps grid to manage so enough todo
[08:53] [^Willie^] and mosth linux channels don't like those reply`s anyway more trolling then help or ask
[08:53] [^Willie^] people do the same to me so i do the same to freenode ;)
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[08:54] [alkisg] Right.... I didn't like this, either: (05:49:22 ¼¼) ^Willie^: i'm asking my self why are these folks so hard to find if the wana do opensource projects :S
[08:54] [sbalneav] ^Willie^: alkisg's a ltsp devel
[08:54] [^Willie^] if he want a reply on that NO, then i ask the code part writer that did write the code that fails and not linus him self
[08:54] [sbalneav] you're in a channel that has nothing to do with freenx
[08:55] [sbalneav] we've been nice and tried to help and you're being rude
[08:55] [^Willie^] rude ?
[08:55] [^Willie^] lol come over to holland and look around then you se what is rude
[08:55] [sbalneav] You don't ignore an ltsp devel
[08:55] [^Willie^] anyway havefun
[08:55] [sbalneav] not while I have ops
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[08:56] [sbalneav] Good thing he left
[08:56] [alkisg] OK... so all open source devs should be on IRC, otherwise they shouldn't be devs...
[08:56] [sbalneav] I was just about to kickban him
[08:56] [alkisg] It's an opinion :-/
[08:56] [sbalneav] It's something I won't tolerate.
[08:56] [sbalneav] NO ONE gets to be rude to ltsp devs
[08:56] [Ahmuck-Jr] :p
[08:56] [sbalneav] we've earned the right to some respect in this channel.
[08:57] [alkisg] Thanks sbalneav :) ...
[08:57] *** alkisg goes to the cinema with his family, bye all :)
[08:57] [sbalneav] Have fun.
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[09:05] [vmlintu] sbalneav: the libnss-sshauth part of the libpam-sshauth plan made me think: would it use the uids/gids from the server unchanged?
[09:08] [jcastro] stgraber: it's your birthday today?
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[09:11] [highvoltage] jcastro: almost 2 weeks out there :)
[09:11] [highvoltage] jcastro: his birthday was on Christmas day
[09:11] [jcastro] oh, one of my social media things lied to me
[09:11] [highvoltage] bastards.
[09:11] [jcastro] stgraber: happy belated birthday!
[09:12] [stgraber] jcastro: nope, it was on the 25th of December :)
[09:12] [stgraber] jcastro: oh, highvoltage was faster
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[09:35] [Ahmuck] there were problems with the above conversation
[09:36] [Ahmuck] ^Willie^ wouldn't have known alkisg was a ltsp dev
[09:36] [Ahmuck] alkisg comments were a little bit on the sarcastic side
[09:36] [Ahmuck] ^Willie^ comments about finding open source devs is in part correct, depending upon the project
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[09:37] [Ahmuck] ^Willie^ was willing to wait for somene that did know after finding out nobody currently here knew anything though he was in the wrong channel
[09:37] *** Ahmuck summarization of the conversation
[09:38] [allinone] Gadi: ping
[09:45] [Gadi] allinone: pong
[09:45] [allinone] Gadi: can I pm u
[09:46] [Gadi] sure
[09:47] [sbalneav] vmlintu: It should
[09:47] [sbalneav] Ahmuck: Sorry, he was already told that he was Off Topic for the channel.
[09:48] [sbalneav] And alkisg's comments were a hint to that fact.
[09:48] [sbalneav] and he kept barrelling on.
[09:49] [sbalneav] So, he got the treatment he deserved.
[09:49] [sbalneav] You don't walk into a channel looking for help, and start talking smack.
[09:49] [sbalneav] period.
[09:59] [sbalneav] Ahmuck: If someone was being rude to YOU, I'd react the same way. We have a civil channel here, with lots of people who spend their precious time to give free help to people. NO REGULAR in #ltsp should be treated rudely.
[10:00] [sbalneav] And for the most part, it works out well.
[10:01] [sbalneav] In my mind, including this one, we've probably had less than 10 people who I can think of who've been outta-line in the 8+ years of this irc channel.
[10:02] [sbalneav] bbiab
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[10:02] [highvoltage] sbalneav: heh, I should learn to be more careful :)
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[10:15] [sbalneav] highvoltage: Almost nobody in here causes a problem.
[10:15] [sbalneav] almost :)
[10:19] [vmlintu] sbalneav: If libnss-sshauth doesn't change the uids, does it mean that running two ldms is limited to servers that have common uids/gids? Or did the requirement for being able to run multiple ldms get dropped? I'm just trying to figure out what kind of use cases are possible with that..
[10:20] [sbalneav] vmlintu: Having common uid's gid's will be a requirement in that case, yes.
[10:21] [sbalneav] You have that requirement now with localapps
[10:23] [sbalneav] vmlintu: Do you have a use case where you have multiple servers with the same userids but with NOT the same uids?
[10:23] [sbalneav] sorry, usernames, uids?
[10:24] [vmlintu] It also crossed my mind that would it make sense to use libnss-ldap on the client and create a simple fake-ldap-server on the ltsp-server to serve the users and groups? Like http://search.cpan.org/~aar/Net-LDAP-Server-0.42/lib/Net/LDAP/Server.pm
[10:24] [sbalneav] we've tossed that around for ages.
[10:24] [sbalneav] problem is, ldap's too high a learning curve
[10:25] [sbalneav] Plus, it's a support nightmare for us.
[10:26] [sbalneav] because we'll have to start walking through helping people set up ldap
[10:26] [sbalneav] then you get into the whole "OK, so central IT runs AD, how do I tie that together" etc.
[10:26] [sbalneav] by writing a pam module that deals exclusively with ssh...
[10:26] [vmlintu] Right now I don't have any environments where the ltsp servers would have different uids but same usernames, but we have laptops that create their own uids when users log in, so some of the tools are designed with that in mind
[10:27] [allinone] You know its about time ldap because a no brainer :)
[10:27] [Guest17454] considered an xmpp server?
[10:27] [Guest17454] /me can't get his nick back (johnny)
[10:27] [sbalneav] Howcome?
[10:28] [Guest17454] bug in my irc transport, haven't reverted back to an earlier version yet
[10:28] [allinone] s/because/becomes/
[10:29] [sbalneav] allinone: I'd agree. But ldap *itself* is complex, the only way to tackle it becomes the skolelinux way.
[10:29] [vmlintu] sbalneav: If there was a simple perl based "ldap-server" that didn't have any configuration options available, but only served data from nss?
[10:29] [sbalneav] i.e. "Use our default config or you're on your own"
[10:29] [Ahmuck] why is ldap a high learning curve?
[10:30] [allinone] sbalneav: I'd have to agree with you on both counts
[10:30] [sbalneav] Oh, ldap's a HUGE learning curve.
[10:30] [allinone] It is really too bad
[10:30] [Ahmuck] what is it about ldap that creates the huge learning curve?
[10:30] [sbalneav] vmlintu: well, I can either write an ldap server, or I can write a pam module.
[10:30] [Guest17454] because ldap is not simple
[10:30] [sbalneav] either way, I gotta write something.
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[10:32] [sbalneav] Ahmuck: ldap requires you to learn about a database. The management tools for ldap are.... very complex. the pam setup's complex too. You have to figure out how you're going to lay out your database, what OU's your going to use, what schema's your going to support.
[10:32] [sbalneav] it's non-trivial.
[10:33] [allinone] I think part of that complexity stems from the fact that LDAP is so damn arbituary
[10:33] [sbalneav] right.
[10:33] [Guest17454] well.. it would be nice if redhat/canonical/novell would work on a shared extendable schema
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