2007-01-31T01:17:36 *** kaos01 has quit IRC 2007-01-31T01:33:00 *** MeBadMagic has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T01:33:12 *** MoL0ToV has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T01:43:23 *** chupacabra has quit IRC 2007-01-31T01:43:40 *** BadMagic has quit IRC 2007-01-31T01:44:26 *** ccjoe has quit IRC 2007-01-31T01:45:22 *** sahil has quit IRC 2007-01-31T01:46:30 *** sahil has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T01:46:49 *** chupacabra has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T01:47:28 *** cliebow_ has quit IRC 2007-01-31T01:49:28 *** ccjoe has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T01:50:50 *** cliebow_ has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T01:51:23 *** cliebow__ has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T01:54:07 *** cliebow has quit IRC 2007-01-31T03:01:29 *** meduxa has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T03:02:57 *** SiCk has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T03:33:16 *** kaos01 has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T03:36:30 *** vanya has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T04:23:06 anone any ideas why my client can read one flash drive but not the other ? 2007-01-31T04:27:22 *** Avatara has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T04:44:03 *** meduxa has quit IRC 2007-01-31T04:55:50 *** Sp0oKeR has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T05:28:19 is it partitioned? 2007-01-31T05:31:40 not sure what that means 2007-01-31T05:31:51 i just formated it in winxp 2007-01-31T05:44:04 i dont think it works unlless /dev/sda has a partition in it like /dev/hda1..partition it in linux with fdisk then format with mkdosfs 2007-01-31T05:55:14 ok, thats not so great, as most win users will have problems :) 2007-01-31T05:56:45 have any idea what it took to get that much working?put a usb stick in one machine and have it pop up on another? 2007-01-31T05:57:54 oh i didnt mean anything bad by it :) 2007-01-31T05:58:12 just making an observation in terms of usebility for the avarage man :) 2007-01-31T05:58:44 its a really cool thing 2007-01-31T06:00:20 sorry to get testy..most drives are partitioned out of hte box.. 2007-01-31T06:15:22 *** andresmujica has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T06:18:59 *** cliebow_ has quit IRC 2007-01-31T06:22:37 *** Jenna has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T06:28:18 *** vanya is now known as vanya_sad 2007-01-31T06:37:39 *** FernandoMM has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T06:38:37 *** msinhore has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T06:49:18 *** tiagovaz has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T06:52:53 *** Blinny has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T06:53:30 *** andresmujica has left #ltsp 2007-01-31T07:09:04 *** Jenna has quit IRC 2007-01-31T07:22:47 *** IRCzito has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T07:22:54 *** cliebow has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T07:23:18 *** andresmujica has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T07:29:49 *** Sp0oKeR has quit IRC 2007-01-31T07:40:09 *** gigabytes has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T07:49:01 *** vlt is now known as vlt|afk 2007-01-31T07:51:32 *** Sp0oKeR has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T07:59:35 *** envite has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T07:59:42 Hello all from Spain 2007-01-31T07:59:46 Hola a todos desde España 2007-01-31T08:07:08 *** SiCk has quit IRC 2007-01-31T08:13:13 *** FernandoMM has quit IRC 2007-01-31T08:24:31 *** sbalneav has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T08:24:49 Morning all 2007-01-31T08:24:51 *** jammcq has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T08:25:17 good morning 2007-01-31T08:25:34 Morning jammcq 2007-01-31T08:25:41 hey kids 2007-01-31T08:25:44 how's it goin? 2007-01-31T08:26:43 *** FernandoMM has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T08:26:52 Oh, you know. 2007-01-31T08:26:52 You? 2007-01-31T08:27:04 goin great, as alwasy 2007-01-31T08:27:05 if I put something in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules.conf, will the client read that during bootup? 2007-01-31T08:27:13 nope 2007-01-31T08:27:22 nuts. why not? 2007-01-31T08:27:27 cuz 2007-01-31T08:27:48 oh, okay, that explains it -) 2007-01-31T08:28:23 is there any other way to pass a parameter for the NIC driver for the client? 2007-01-31T08:28:45 yeah, through NICOPTS=" " as a kernel parameter 2007-01-31T08:29:02 putting it in the /opt/ltsp/i386 tree would be waaaaaaay too late 2007-01-31T08:29:07 set in the dhcpd.conf? 2007-01-31T08:29:26 by the time you've got /opt/ltsp/i386, you've already loaded the module and initialized the nic 2007-01-31T08:29:48 http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/KernelOptions 2007-01-31T08:30:03 * pscheie goes to the wiki... 2007-01-31T08:30:17 depends on whether you are using PXE or Etherboot, look at that article I mentioned above 2007-01-31T08:30:52 i'm using pxe 2007-01-31T08:31:14 ah, it's NICOPT, not NICOPTS 2007-01-31T08:31:30 in fact, here's how the nic module gets loaded: 2007-01-31T08:31:36 modprobe -v ${NIC} ${IOADDR} ${IRQOPT} ${NICOPT} 2007-01-31T08:31:51 so, you can pass IOADDR, IRQOPT and NICOPT 2007-01-31T08:31:59 either or all of those 2007-01-31T08:34:10 *** MeBadMagic is now known as BadMagic 2007-01-31T08:35:00 *** bobby_C has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T08:35:45 so, if the syntax in modules.conf is '3c59x options=0x408', how would I put that in the default file? 2007-01-31T08:36:12 'nic=3c59x options=0x408'? 2007-01-31T08:36:14 NICOPT=options=0x408 2007-01-31T08:36:32 the 3c59x will get auto-detected, unless you have more than one nic in the computer 2007-01-31T08:36:42 so you shouldn't need to specify the nic 2007-01-31T08:36:56 nope, just the one on-board nic, which is being detected. 2007-01-31T08:37:03 lemme try this... 2007-01-31T08:37:06 but if you must, then it would be: NIC=3x59x NICOPT=options=0x408 2007-01-31T08:40:19 well, that works for passing the NIC option 2007-01-31T08:40:46 unfortunately, it also causes the terminal to hang during bootup :-( 2007-01-31T08:41:01 I get a dhcpd failure error. 2007-01-31T08:41:04 grrr 2007-01-31T08:41:09 what does 'options-0x408' do ? 2007-01-31T08:41:16 what is it *supposed* to do ? 2007-01-31T08:41:40 supposedly fix wake on lan 2007-01-31T08:41:46 see http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/2/20/63 2007-01-31T08:42:23 do you see on the screen: 2007-01-31T08:42:34 linuxrc: installing 3c59x driver 2007-01-31T08:42:38 followed by: 2007-01-31T08:42:55 modprobe 3c59x options=0x408 2007-01-31T08:43:23 *** andresmujica has left #ltsp 2007-01-31T08:43:35 do you mean on the client during boot? 2007-01-31T08:43:39 yes 2007-01-31T08:43:52 yes 2007-01-31T08:44:08 so I know the NICOPT part is working 2007-01-31T08:44:09 so it appears that you've got it setup in pxelinux.cfg/default correctly 2007-01-31T08:44:26 at least whatever you are setting in there is coming through to the modprobe command 2007-01-31T08:44:26 right. It's just that parameter may be a no no 2007-01-31T08:44:36 could be 2007-01-31T08:44:41 right, it's a bit of progress 2007-01-31T08:44:51 just not success...yet 2007-01-31T08:46:27 *** andresmujica has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T08:47:35 The actual error is 'ERROR! dhcpcd failed!" 2007-01-31T08:47:53 'kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!' 2007-01-31T08:47:54 *** andresmujica has left #ltsp 2007-01-31T08:48:05 what does the 'not syncing' refer to? 2007-01-31T08:48:59 the problem is 'dhcpcd failed', that's what you need to focus on. the panic is cuz it had nothing else to do 2007-01-31T08:49:57 can I comment stuff out in the default file by using a # ? 2007-01-31T08:50:04 yeah 2007-01-31T08:56:13 where does the file for the NIC driver live? 2007-01-31T08:56:23 IOW, modprobe loads it from where? 2007-01-31T08:56:28 in the initramfs 2007-01-31T08:56:56 so if I want to build a new driver for the 3c59x, I'll have to build a new initramfs? 2007-01-31T08:57:13 yep, and a new kernel 2007-01-31T08:57:21 but why would you want to do that? 2007-01-31T08:57:29 the 3c59x driver is probably one of the most stable 2007-01-31T08:57:41 http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-318586.html, near the bottom 2007-01-31T08:58:05 just a sentence or two would suffice, i'm not in the habit of chasing urls 2007-01-31T08:58:12 sorry 2007-01-31T08:58:17 no prob 2007-01-31T08:59:07 a fellow said he solved the WOL problem by editing the 3c59x.c file and recompiling it 2007-01-31T08:59:26 added 'acpi_set_WOL(dev)' to it 2007-01-31T08:59:34 Ho Ho 2007-01-31T09:00:10 *** J45p3r_ has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T09:00:10 doesn't WoL on a 3c59x require a cable going from the nic to the motherboard ? 2007-01-31T09:00:13 but he also says he does a 'modprobe -r 3c59x' just before 'halt' in his shutdown script which seems rather odd 2007-01-31T09:00:33 if using cards, yes. 2007-01-31T09:00:41 but these are built-in nics 2007-01-31T09:00:42 Just out of curiosity, what's the impetus for having wake on lan on diskless terminals? I mean, it's not like you need to perform MAINTENANCE on them in the evenings, or something. 2007-01-31T09:00:46 on-board 2007-01-31T09:00:51 ah 2007-01-31T09:01:13 school policy is to turn all equipment off at night to save energy 2007-01-31T09:01:37 having an icon on the teacher's desktop that would run a WOL script would be cool 2007-01-31T09:01:56 These are Dell laptops 2007-01-31T09:02:29 they even have a BIOS setting that will automatically turn them on at a specified time either 7 days/week or just M-F 2007-01-31T09:02:42 but school policy says even that can't be used. 2007-01-31T09:02:42 How about a block heater timer on the power strip for the machines? Activate at 7:00 AM, turn off at 8:00 PM :) 2007-01-31T09:03:09 sbalneav: he's not having a problem turning them off. ltspinfod will handle that 2007-01-31T09:03:17 he wants to also allow remote turn-on 2007-01-31T09:03:20 I already wrote them a shutdown script using ltspinfo 2007-01-31T09:03:31 teacher clicks the icon, they all shut off 2007-01-31T09:03:51 good for the "Wow!" effect ;-) 2007-01-31T09:04:12 I'm still not getting it. 2007-01-31T09:04:28 he wants the teachers to also be able to turn them back on in the morning 2007-01-31T09:04:29 I'd like to make a similar 'one-click and they all turn on' script 2007-01-31T09:04:37 i'm thinking the kids can just hit the power button 2007-01-31T09:04:47 That's what I'm thinking. 2007-01-31T09:05:03 beyond that, and it's just "geek factor" at work here 2007-01-31T09:05:17 yeah, having the kids use the power button is the current plan 2007-01-31T09:05:44 So, Teacher turns off boxes, turns on boxes. 2007-01-31T09:05:55 sure there's some geek factor but it's also part of demonstrating the superiority of LTSP to the conventional Windows/Mac model 2007-01-31T09:06:56 Lots of people (teachers, school techs) easily slide back into the Win/Mac mindset 2007-01-31T09:07:11 This is my personal opinion here, but I don't think the superiority of the LTSP model is demonstrtated by saving someone the .03 seconds it takes to push a power button :) 2007-01-31T09:07:15 anything to make their lives easier is a selling/brownie point 2007-01-31T09:07:15 But that's me :) 2007-01-31T09:07:39 You and I understand the technical superiority, but most mortals don't 2007-01-31T09:08:07 Speak for yourself. I'm just as mortal as anyone else :) 2007-01-31T09:08:19 I'ts a control feature 2007-01-31T09:08:19 To most people, it just looks like a computer, and they have NO idea how it works underneath 2007-01-31T09:08:26 and teachers in a classroom love control 2007-01-31T09:08:36 control is right 2007-01-31T09:08:53 control is there, the teacher can turn the computers off 2007-01-31T09:08:55 *** ogra has quit IRC 2007-01-31T09:08:56 what more do you need? 2007-01-31T09:09:01 so if a techer feels that he/she has the control (the control of power on/off the terminals, as an example) he/she is happy 2007-01-31T09:09:19 that's why I asked Robert Arkiletian to add the 'unlock all screen savers' to teachertool 2007-01-31T09:09:26 *** ogra has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T09:09:36 power off is control 2007-01-31T09:09:41 he's using xscreensaver which requires a PW to be unlocked 2007-01-31T09:10:13 meaning teacher can lock all screens and get kids' attention, tell them something, then unlock them all and let the kids procede 2007-01-31T09:10:34 caveat: we're using autologin, so kids don't know the PW 2007-01-31T09:10:54 so it was a problem initially, until Robert added the unlock all 2007-01-31T09:11:02 can't xscreensaver be killed and restarted? 2007-01-31T09:11:24 now the teacher can temporarily lock all the screens, get the kids' attention, then unlock them all 2007-01-31T09:11:44 not at the client if you don't know the login PW 2007-01-31T09:11:49 and they don't since we use autologin 2007-01-31T09:12:10 jammcq: Those disklessworkstations that you guys sell - Do they use the vesa xserver? -- The reason I ask is I'm worried about the cpu load w/ a bunch of vesa clients doing things like tuxtype or other graphics-intensive things. 2007-01-31T09:12:24 sbalneav: you are correct that walking around a dozen machines turning them on isn't a lot of work 2007-01-31T09:12:45 Blinny: they can, but they don't have to. when ever possible, we use the proper driver for the video chipset 2007-01-31T09:13:16 the newest model, the 1220, currently is using the Vesa driver, cuz the via chipset isn't properly supported by Xorg yet 2007-01-31T09:13:19 but being able to turn them all on from the teacher's desk would be impressive at least during the demo 2007-01-31T09:13:23 *** vanya_sad has quit IRC 2007-01-31T09:13:30 but the T-150/170 is very well supported by Xorg 2007-01-31T09:13:42 More to the point, if the policy is to save power, and you've got a class of 30 terminals, but 15 kids, why not have the kids just turn on the 15 they're at, and leave the other 15 powered off? 2007-01-31T09:14:20 jammcq: Excellent, thanks. I'm looking at the 150s. I spent enough on the server.. Hopefully I don't need much on the terminals. 2007-01-31T09:14:22 the ratio is the other way around: 27 kids, 9 clients 2007-01-31T09:14:35 so all the clients are getting used, pretty much all the time 2007-01-31T09:14:58 *** Gadi has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T09:17:55 brb 2007-01-31T09:18:03 *** Blinny has left #ltsp 2007-01-31T09:20:58 *** Blinny has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T09:25:39 What causes the grey-screen on thin client bootup with the 'X' mouse and no xdm/gdm showing? 2007-01-31T09:26:08 *** vanya_sad has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T09:26:24 http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Troubleshooting-GrayScreen 2007-01-31T09:26:35 heh 2007-01-31T09:29:24 Ah I see how to get there now. Thanks jammcq 2007-01-31T09:37:01 Next - My scroll wheel is wonky when I use the nvidia server (using Peter's suggestions at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/VideoCards#nVidia_for_LTSP_4_2_update_2). If I use the vesa server it works OK. I've tried plugging the USB mouse into PS/2 port using a little adaptor. 2007-01-31T09:37:31 I've added the PROTOCOL lines as suggested in a few places in the wiki 2007-01-31T09:39:19 The only difference I can see in /tmp/XF86Config.1 is in the Section "ServerLayout" where two inputdevice directives are. One is for Mouse0 "CorePointer", one is for Mouse1 "AlwaysCore". I only have one mouse plugged into this client. 2007-01-31T09:44:34 Ahhhhh. It's not just the nvidia server. The mouse goes wonky whenever I specify any special X_ configuration on lts.conf for the client. 2007-01-31T09:44:59 Using the default X config (not specifying any section for the client) works OK. (but then I can't use accelerated hardware) 2007-01-31T09:48:30 what do you guys recomend, an alternative to pxegrub ? 2007-01-31T09:54:18 *** sepski has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T10:04:04 *** vanya_sad has quit IRC 2007-01-31T10:04:09 *** xuxa has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T10:08:46 *** Avatara has quit IRC 2007-01-31T10:17:28 *** irule has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T10:17:32 *** xuxa_ has quit IRC 2007-01-31T10:17:37 hi 2007-01-31T10:20:47 *** monteslu has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T10:25:48 how do I know the PCs processor model and spped plus ram memory size from shell? thanks ...erp,m server 2007-01-31T10:28:44 cat /proc/cpuinfo 2007-01-31T10:28:53 cat /proc/meminfo 2007-01-31T10:29:08 Or the "free" command will get you ram info as well. 2007-01-31T10:29:52 irule: That what you want? 2007-01-31T10:38:30 sbalneav:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2007-01-31T10:38:47 jammcq: thanks for the forward..didnt want to miss any jiuicy morsels 2007-01-31T10:40:04 Balls! 2007-01-31T10:40:13 *** Blinny has quit IRC 2007-01-31T10:41:31 *** Blinny has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T10:43:53 *** efra_ has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T10:43:59 Morning everbody 2007-01-31T10:44:36 efra_:!' 2007-01-31T10:45:13 cliebow: What does that mean? Never seen it 2007-01-31T10:45:54 not a hell of a lot..i guess howdy would have been better 2007-01-31T10:46:23 *** efra_ is now known as efra 2007-01-31T10:46:40 hehehehe 2007-01-31T10:47:00 I have to read more about emoticons 2007-01-31T10:47:16 i never heard of such 2007-01-31T11:08:06 *** J45p3r_ has quit IRC 2007-01-31T11:12:08 *** irule has quit IRC 2007-01-31T11:32:34 *** kaos01 has quit IRC 2007-01-31T11:44:02 *** vlt|afk is now known as vlt 2007-01-31T11:46:59 *** bobby_C has quit IRC 2007-01-31T11:49:28 Hello. I'm running LTSP on ubuntu Dapper 6.06 and now have a client that refuses to boot (via PXE). It gets an IP address and reads from pxelinux.cfg/default, then loads the kernel and stops with "SIOCGIFINDEX: error 19 \n ipconfig: no devices to configure \n .: 1: can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf \n Kernel panic ...". Any idea? 2007-01-31T11:51:21 The NIC is an RTL8111B chip. 2007-01-31T11:51:23 *** gigabytes has quit IRC 2007-01-31T11:53:11 vlt;cant find the nic then..may have to spcify that..assuming it is supported.. 2007-01-31T11:54:51 gig nic? 2007-01-31T11:56:03 cliebow: Yes. Google says there's a driver on realtek's site. How do I load that driver? 2007-01-31T11:56:43 that is aproblem to put in the initramfs 2007-01-31T11:58:02 i see it in 4.2 chrroot 2007-01-31T12:00:25 cliebow: ??? Didn't understand your last post. 2007-01-31T12:00:28 hmm r100 IS in the chroot..you'll have to perhaps specify the nic..in kernel options..i am fuzzy how to do this 2007-01-31T12:00:46 is i think in the initramfs 2007-01-31T12:00:54 is for ppc 2007-01-31T12:01:35 what distro? ltsp 4.2 or 5? 2007-01-31T12:02:08 cliebow: I think it's 4.x (ubuntu dapper's default). 2007-01-31T12:03:27 did you install with ltsp-server-standalone? 2007-01-31T12:04:34 Yes. It's called "Version: 0.87" in ubuntu. 2007-01-31T12:07:22 can you at a command line do locate r1000 2007-01-31T12:08:37 There's an "r1000.ko" in /lib/modules/2.6.15-23-386/kernel/drivers/net/ (the real "/", not initrd). 2007-01-31T12:09:32 (didn't `locate` but `find` it) 2007-01-31T12:10:11 vlt: caan you upgrade to edgy? 2007-01-31T12:11:22 cliebow: Mmh, I'm running edgy on private notebook and it seems to run fine, but the LTSP server here ... mmmmhhh ... 2007-01-31T12:11:47 yeah 2007-01-31T12:12:49 you "could" change name of /opt/ltsp/i386 to /opt/ltsp/i386-dapper..and point to that in dhcpd.conf 2007-01-31T12:13:14 see what im thinking//put it in parallel to what you have 2007-01-31T12:13:50 cliebow: Don't see what you're trying to do ... 2007-01-31T12:14:09 cliebow: What's the use of renaming it? 2007-01-31T12:14:34 make it so your existing systerm is intact..aand put the newest ltsp in alongside the old for testing 2007-01-31T12:14:37 * vlt is a bit slow today ... 2007-01-31T12:15:10 i have like five ltsp on same server 2007-01-31T12:15:25 cliebow: mmh, and gow to install the 2nd one? 2007-01-31T12:15:34 how* 2007-01-31T12:15:34 4.1ppc 5.0ppc 4.14.2 5.0 of i386 2007-01-31T12:16:29 ohhh..manually..i can get you the chroot i built for ltsp5..kernel and initramfs 2007-01-31T12:16:45 i'd really like ogra's opinion.. 2007-01-31T12:18:03 cliebow: If the driver is (already) available both on ltsp server's and in client's "/", how to enable it in initrd (if that's the problem here)? 2007-01-31T12:21:54 i know you can pass the nic as a kernel option..just fuzzy on where to put it 2007-01-31T12:22:08 * cliebow cliebow hopes someone will juump in 2007-01-31T12:23:08 how about option 128 and option 129 in dhcpd.conf 2007-01-31T12:27:05 cliebow: NOW: option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; 2007-01-31T12:27:14 option option-129 "MOPTS=proto=tcp,nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; 2007-01-31T12:29:32 option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; # NOT a mac address 2007-01-31T12:29:33 option option-129 "ramdisk_size=8192"option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; # NOT a mac address 2007-01-31T12:29:33 option option-129 "NIC=r1000" 2007-01-31T12:31:27 option option-129 "ramdisk_size=8192"option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; # NOT a mac address 2007-01-31T12:31:27 Balls 2007-01-31T12:31:27 lemme get this right 2007-01-31T12:31:27 option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; # NOT a mac address 2007-01-31T12:31:31 option option-129 "NIC=r1000"; 2007-01-31T12:31:33 cliebow: Why two entries? 2007-01-31T12:31:41 cliebow: Aah ok. .. ;) 2007-01-31T12:32:13 cliebow: Should I add it to the already existing line? 2007-01-31T12:33:00 with a comma i think yes 2007-01-31T12:33:12 cliebow: I'll try ... 2007-01-31T12:33:22 ohh no comma in mine 2007-01-31T12:33:53 option option-129 "MOPTS=proto=tcp,nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; 2007-01-31T12:33:59 That's what I have now. 2007-01-31T12:34:31 If I add another comma it will be another MOPTS value, I think ... ? 2007-01-31T12:35:34 perhapps "NIC=r1000 MOPTS= 2007-01-31T12:39:13 cliebow: No, doesn't work. 2007-01-31T12:39:29 (Didn't check if the other clients can still boot ...) 2007-01-31T12:40:16 cliebow: I think I'll try to boot that client later. 2007-01-31T12:40:20 Thank you. 2007-01-31T12:41:58 *** pautrey has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T12:42:01 *** vlt has quit IRC 2007-01-31T12:42:09 *** pautrey has quit IRC 2007-01-31T12:47:12 ogra: pong? 2007-01-31T12:47:26 *** efra has quit IRC 2007-01-31T12:49:53 'morning. 2007-01-31T12:49:59 I just want to say again, that I love LTSP. 2007-01-31T13:02:30 *** gigabytes has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T13:09:09 *** jammcq has quit IRC 2007-01-31T13:14:23 *** andresmujica has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T13:19:38 *** Blinny has quit IRC 2007-01-31T13:30:52 dan__t: gertting the hang of it huh? 2007-01-31T13:30:59 yup. 2007-01-31T13:31:17 takes a little to wrap your head artound it 2007-01-31T13:33:16 *** gigabytes has quit IRC 2007-01-31T13:37:12 *** andresmujica has left #ltsp 2007-01-31T13:44:12 It does. 2007-01-31T13:48:20 TypeError: object of type `KiwiEntry' does not have property `data-type' 2007-01-31T13:53:11 *** monteslu has quit IRC 2007-01-31T13:58:18 *** jammcq has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T14:00:54 *** andresmujica has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T14:01:24 jammcq: I'm trying a different approach for my WOL problem 2007-01-31T14:01:54 I got Don Becker's pci-config tool from scyld's website 2007-01-31T14:02:18 someone had suggested putting this in the shutdown scripts, e.g., rc.shutdown 2007-01-31T14:02:44 hey, guys. anyone here know a GUI frontend to vncpasswd? (or do I need to dust off my 'expect' skills?) 2007-01-31T14:03:32 pci-config puts the NIC into a WOL-aware state, then shuts down the NIC 2007-01-31T14:03:35 Gadi ! 2007-01-31T14:03:41 rjune!!! 2007-01-31T14:03:51 hey, man 2007-01-31T14:04:05 but on a TC, shuttting down the NIC stops everything 2007-01-31T14:04:33 how are you? 2007-01-31T14:04:48 I get errors about command 0x5800 not completing, let alone getting to the syshalt command 2007-01-31T14:04:58 on top of the world. I gained another tax deduction ~2.5 weeks ago 2007-01-31T14:05:13 pscheie: yeah, the joys of root over NFS :) 2007-01-31T14:05:34 * Gadi wonders why your BIOS cant handle WOL 2007-01-31T14:05:37 any ideas around that one? 2007-01-31T14:05:49 ummm, nope 2007-01-31T14:06:04 Gadi: BIOS is set for WOL, but it doesn't respond to the 'magic packet' 2007-01-31T14:06:28 does it respond in any OS? 2007-01-31T14:06:35 From my reading, the NIC has to be set for WOL upon shutdown, ensuring it's still powered 2007-01-31T14:06:37 *** kaos01 has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T14:06:42 jammcq: thanks for the redirect.. 2007-01-31T14:06:44 nah 2007-01-31T14:06:48 thats bs 2007-01-31T14:06:50 dunno, haven't tried any others 2007-01-31T14:06:56 are you using etherwake? 2007-01-31T14:07:04 yep 2007-01-31T14:07:13 and you got the MAC addy right? 2007-01-31T14:07:51 One tip-off: the LED on the nic and the switch should still be lit after the client is shutdown 2007-01-31T14:08:02 but on these Dell Latitudes they're not 2007-01-31T14:08:32 I've got an ipaq on which WOL works; the LEDs glow even when the box is shutdown 2007-01-31T14:08:50 Even that's not bulletproof, though 2007-01-31T14:09:04 ah, then perhaps there is a setting in the BIOS to not cut power to the NIC 2007-01-31T14:09:14 if i use ltspinfo to shut it down, even the nic is down, no WOL 2007-01-31T14:09:35 but if I shut it down with the power switch on the front of the box, then wol works 2007-01-31T14:09:56 nothing in the bios on the Dells aside from Y/N setting for WOL 2007-01-31T14:10:38 Gadi:how are you on arp resolution? 2007-01-31T14:10:42 I've read several bits about people having WOL work under Windows but not so under Linux 2007-01-31T14:11:03 weird 2007-01-31T14:11:17 Gadi: yes, I had the correct addy. Been at it for a few days now 2007-01-31T14:11:21 cliebow__: I'll trade you arp resolution for a gui frontend to vncpasswd 2007-01-31T14:11:54 jeez..id love to ..let me look around 2007-01-31T14:12:05 pscheie: what does the bios have for the action when hitting the powerbutton? 2007-01-31T14:12:46 dell or ipaq? 2007-01-31T14:13:24 dell 2007-01-31T14:13:43 * Gadi caveats that he hates the dell BIOS with a passion 2007-01-31T14:14:05 uh, nothing, just has 'Wakeup on LAN: Enabled/Disabled' 2007-01-31T14:14:17 there are no other power settings 2007-01-31T14:14:21 or button settings 2007-01-31T14:14:42 * Gadi is not surprised - schmeasly as dell 2007-01-31T14:14:43 nope 2007-01-31T14:16:48 if you go to a shell on the thin client, is there a difference in the nick state if you do: "shutdown -h now" vs "shutdown -h -H now" ? 2007-01-31T14:17:02 s/nick/nic/ 2007-01-31T14:17:09 lemme check... 2007-01-31T14:20:40 *** FernandoMM has quit IRC 2007-01-31T14:22:05 Gadi:havnt got a frontend anywhere..sorry. 2007-01-31T14:22:18 yeah, seems everyone uses expect for one 2007-01-31T14:22:23 and writes ugly scripts 2007-01-31T14:22:26 oh well 2007-01-31T14:22:30 whats your arp issue? 2007-01-31T14:23:05 what would prevent a machine from answering an arp request..if mac/ip were in the arp tables? 2007-01-31T14:23:40 im sure youre all tired of this..but one last time.. 2007-01-31T14:24:28 how do you know it is not answering? 2007-01-31T14:24:47 usually, if it has the IP in the arp table, it is because it does get a response 2007-01-31T14:25:23 *** monteslu has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T14:25:30 i have all macs booting to ltsp5 with linux dhcp..using windows dhcp in my real network..the bondi boots like a rap...err violasted ape..but damned if i can get anything else to do so..the dhcp responses are virtually identical but arp faills 2007-01-31T14:25:54 Gadi: where is shutdown command located? 2007-01-31T14:26:09 /sbin/shutdown 2007-01-31T14:27:13 I don't seem to have an /sbin/shutdown (on the client) 2007-01-31T14:27:24 watching packets..i see the apple trying to sort out the network..apple does a who-has ..no one answers.. 2007-01-31T14:27:28 cliebow__: a. whats a bondi? b. was that a "violated ape"? c. whats telling you that arp fails? 2007-01-31T14:27:33 but the bondi asks and gets an is-at 2007-01-31T14:28:19 * pscheie wishes the clients had 'which' or 'locate' 2007-01-31T14:28:56 on successful boot apple asks who-has itself..who-has the server..gets an is-at from itself and the server..then tftp starts 2007-01-31T14:29:22 bondi is a new-world mac..one of the early ones 2007-01-31T14:29:39 with an ibook..it does who-has...no one answers 2007-01-31T14:30:34 windows clearly provides a next-server option correctly 2007-01-31T14:31:13 Gadi: I've got /sbin/haltsys, which is what rc.shutdown calls 2007-01-31T14:33:44 /sbin/haltsys -h -H just shuts the system down, WOL still not working 2007-01-31T14:35:05 hmm.. I forgot - no shutdown in the thin client 2007-01-31T14:35:07 Hello, I'm planning to have 3 LTSP 4.2 servers, to serve about 100 clients, I'm planning each of them to take 35 clients aprox, I would like if one server goes away another to take its clients meanwhile the server is been fixed, have you ever tried that? any clue? 2007-01-31T14:35:23 *** andresmujica has left #ltsp 2007-01-31T14:35:34 unfortunately, I have to run and pick up the boy from school. I'll try to get on again a bit later for some brainstorming 2007-01-31T14:35:58 *** Gadi has left #ltsp 2007-01-31T14:39:24 *** ogra has quit IRC 2007-01-31T14:45:42 *** ogra has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T15:03:43 *** Sp0oKeR has quit IRC 2007-01-31T15:17:04 *** cliebow has quit IRC 2007-01-31T15:27:45 *** rene has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T15:27:54 jammcq: for God help me 2007-01-31T15:27:57 :'( 2007-01-31T15:28:12 rene: what's up? 2007-01-31T15:29:03 nfs-kernel noting respond n workstation 2007-01-31T15:29:07 no* 2007-01-31T15:29:13 in* 2007-01-31T15:29:30 ltsp-4.2 and ethernet ISA 2007-01-31T15:29:36 3c509 2007-01-31T15:29:58 rene: read this page: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/NFS#NFS_Server_not_responding 2007-01-31T15:31:16 Ok Thx 2007-01-31T15:34:36 jammcq, Have you ever setup multiple ltsp servers or a ltsp cluster? 2007-01-31T15:35:07 g333k_work: nope 2007-01-31T15:35:23 jammcq, :( 2007-01-31T15:35:53 error jammcq 2007-01-31T15:35:53 Hey, we can't do EVERYTHING. 2007-01-31T15:36:01 MODULES FATAL ERROR 2007-01-31T15:36:03 NO FOUND 2007-01-31T15:36:06 What would be left for everyone else? :) 2007-01-31T15:36:06 :( 2007-01-31T15:36:47 I gave up tryin to boot 64 bits clients with i386 ubuntu..... installin' edubuntu 64 now.... would someone sugest ubuntu server instead ? I can do that --mirror thing to avoid downloading a ton of things.... right ? heheh 2007-01-31T15:37:12 to use the ltsp-server-standalone easy installation, I mean 2007-01-31T15:38:07 :'( 2007-01-31T15:38:14 Why would you want 64 bit clients and a 32 bit server? Seems a little bass-ackwards. Most people usually want the 64 bit server, and older 32 bit clients. 2007-01-31T15:38:32 nofxx, if you do the edubuntu64 install it should all work out of the box 2007-01-31T15:38:37 And yes, --mirror is your friend. 2007-01-31T15:38:43 !paste 2007-01-31T15:38:44 rene: Error: "paste" is not a valid command. 2007-01-31T15:38:45 jammcq, those options didn't work for me. 2007-01-31T15:38:46 sbalneav: heh..yea...my bad... hope now it works.... 64 on both ends 2007-01-31T15:38:50 !botpaste 2007-01-31T15:38:51 rene: Error: "botpaste" is not a valid command. 2007-01-31T15:38:53 no need for --mirror :) 2007-01-31T15:38:54 !botpast 2007-01-31T15:38:55 rene: Error: "botpast" is not a valid command. 2007-01-31T15:39:00 :( 2007-01-31T15:39:08 ogra: that's sweet... thank you 2007-01-31T15:39:09 since the install is done from CD 2007-01-31T15:39:13 !paste 2007-01-31T15:39:14 rene: Error: "paste" is not a valid command. 2007-01-31T15:39:16 !past 2007-01-31T15:39:17 rene: Error: "past" is not a valid command. 2007-01-31T15:39:32 er, duh. because that client uses etherboot. 2007-01-31T15:39:33 brb 2007-01-31T15:39:44 !pastebot 2007-01-31T15:39:45 rene: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to there. Don't forget to drop down the channel selector, and select #ltsp 2007-01-31T15:39:50 :* 2007-01-31T15:40:14 ahhh hell :( 2007-01-31T15:40:14 Not sure if our pastebot's alive... 2007-01-31T15:40:25 nfs mutharfuckar 2007-01-31T15:40:27 ogra: it comes with chroot compiled for 64 bits ? 2007-01-31T15:40:28 :( 2007-01-31T15:40:33 :@ 2007-01-31T15:40:42 nofxx, yes 2007-01-31T15:40:42 rene: watch your language please. 2007-01-31T15:40:50 Ok sorry 2007-01-31T15:40:58 ogra: seems strange... the normal is 64 server 32 client.... right? ahh I see.. tnx 2007-01-31T15:41:01 sorry everybody 2007-01-31T15:41:09 cuz its easy to compile 32 on the 64... 2007-01-31T15:41:28 nofxx, and finally after being beaten up for that decision a thousand times you get a really big hug from me for being the first one with 64/64 setup :) 2007-01-31T15:41:32 ok... i got only 64 clients so far... I should be good 2007-01-31T15:42:02 arrgg pastebot no open 2007-01-31T15:42:04 :( 2007-01-31T15:42:06 rene: What are you wanting to paste? 2007-01-31T15:42:07 normal would ne 64/32 indeed, but we build the client environment from the one CD we have 2007-01-31T15:42:24 and that has only amd64 packages on it and no space for 32 bit ones 2007-01-31T15:42:55 sbalneav: no open page web 2007-01-31T15:43:03 so i had to decide if we want to build no client chroot at all or amd64 servers would have 64bit client envs ... 2007-01-31T15:43:13 server it's down 2007-01-31T15:43:21 got it... tnx ogra... let's see what will happen.. xD 2007-01-31T15:43:33 Yes, as I said earlier, I'm not sure our pastbot is working. 2007-01-31T15:43:43 How many lines do you need to paste? 2007-01-31T15:43:46 ogra: hehe good choice... 2007-01-31T15:43:50 paste bot no workie 2007-01-31T15:44:10 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/ 2007-01-31T15:44:11 btw, ltsp is fantastic... people don't know what they are missing 2007-01-31T15:44:12 try that 2007-01-31T15:44:24 nofxx, they keep learning :) 2007-01-31T15:44:54 sbalneav, did i tell you how much pulse sound rocks ? 2007-01-31T15:45:19 Ok, well, that works perfectly fine. 2007-01-31T15:45:20 ogra: you should hear whiprush talk about how much he loves pulse 2007-01-31T15:45:22 : ) yea... just a matter of time... and watching the neighboor sucess.... great job ! 2007-01-31T15:45:27 Thank you very much, jammcq. 2007-01-31T15:45:41 btw, whiprush is installing LTSP at Oakland University, he's completely dumping the sunrays :) 2007-01-31T15:45:44 jammcq, its really sexy ... and solves all our problems in ltsp :) 2007-01-31T15:45:49 :'( 2007-01-31T15:46:16 DO you guys have any tips or tricks on how one should go about killing applications on the server when the user logs out, or if the machine is unexpectedly shut down? Things like Nautilus and Gaim do not start up because they leave temp files, or processes already running, or lockfiles. 2007-01-31T15:46:26 jammcq: 2007-01-31T15:46:27 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3636/ 2007-01-31T15:46:27 Like a way to cleanly exit all applications when a client becomes disconnected. 2007-01-31T15:47:01 rene: remove the first ',' in the option-129 2007-01-31T15:47:13 should be: "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=......." 2007-01-31T15:47:15 what 2007-01-31T15:47:20 ahh 2007-01-31T15:47:22 NIC and MOPTS are separate options 2007-01-31T15:47:24 :8 2007-01-31T15:47:26 :* 2007-01-31T15:47:27 Typically, the only programs that I find leave messes behind are firefox and openoffice. 2007-01-31T15:47:47 jammcq: =* 2007-01-31T15:48:01 rene: so, it was trying to load a kernel module called: '3c509,MOPTS=.....' 2007-01-31T15:48:08 and of course, there is no such module 2007-01-31T15:48:32 Ok lord jedi 2007-01-31T15:48:34 :D 2007-01-31T15:48:41 I have a little program I stick in /etc/X11/Xsession.d that does a pkill soffice ; pkill firefox, and cleans up the lock files. That way, when they log in again, it's guarenteed to be clean. 2007-01-31T15:49:02 jammcq: us 2007-01-31T15:49:05 option option-129 "NIC=3c509 MOPTS=nolock,ro,wsize=2048,rsize=2048"; 2007-01-31T15:49:35 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3637/ 2007-01-31T15:50:03 :D 2007-01-31T15:50:07 jammcq: :* 2007-01-31T15:50:15 ogra: that's a nice pastebot 2007-01-31T15:50:24 :) 2007-01-31T15:50:29 somebody should update the bot to tell it about it 2007-01-31T15:50:50 oooh, better yet 2007-01-31T15:51:02 We could ressurect the pastebot tonight... 2007-01-31T15:51:04 ill update the re-direct, so that pastebot.ltsp.org automatically goes there 2007-01-31T15:51:17 heh :) 2007-01-31T15:51:26 sbalneav: that's what I was thinking, but the Ubuntu pastebot is pretty nice 2007-01-31T15:51:37 *** sepski has quit IRC 2007-01-31T15:51:48 it lacks the nice pinging feautre ... in the channel though 2007-01-31T15:51:55 I'll go either way. The one thing I liked about ours was that it notified in the channel. 2007-01-31T15:52:00 jammcq: fullwork >D 2007-01-31T15:52:00 thats something i really like about pastebot 2007-01-31T15:52:02 yeah, that's true 2007-01-31T15:52:06 rene: cool !!! 2007-01-31T15:52:08 :) 2007-01-31T15:52:15 I just downloaded the source. 2007-01-31T15:52:31 sbalneav: from? 2007-01-31T15:52:38 i think Seveas wrote it 2007-01-31T15:52:55 must be in bzr somewhere on launchpad 2007-01-31T15:52:58 we could maybe get the same one that Mistik1 had 2007-01-31T15:52:59 jammcq: give for your MAC PRO 2007-01-31T15:52:59 :) 2007-01-31T15:53:07 pastebot.org's where it's from, I followed the SF link from there 2007-01-31T15:54:06 That's the one I got. 2007-01-31T15:56:36 sbalneav, would you mind telling me the name of this application, or did you create it? 2007-01-31T15:56:42 Sounds like what I'm looking for. 2007-01-31T15:58:29 jammcq: 2007-01-31T15:59:09 i have muck ethernet RTL8139D/via-rhine 6105 2007-01-31T15:59:45 but...i have too problem in startup workstation 2007-01-31T16:00:00 look is like this 2007-01-31T16:00:05 ............................... 2007-01-31T16:00:11 ..............................................................done 2007-01-31T16:00:19 via-rhine disable 2007-01-31T16:00:22 :( 2007-01-31T16:00:51 opss 2007-01-31T16:01:00 only rhine disable 2007-01-31T16:01:22 error kernel modules 2007-01-31T16:02:03 someone can help me 2007-01-31T16:02:54 ?? 2007-01-31T16:04:49 *** cliebow__ has quit IRC 2007-01-31T16:06:02 what's the exact error please 2007-01-31T16:08:37 ogra: from the edubuntu install screen: "building chroot LTSP..." ... : ))) 2007-01-31T16:08:43 very sweet 2007-01-31T16:09:22 if you switch to console 4 you can watch it working :) 2007-01-31T16:09:57 ah..its gonne now.. : ) 2007-01-31T16:10:13 dan__t: waorstatio no startup 2007-01-31T16:10:29 stop in .........................done rhine disable 2007-01-31T16:10:36 *** cliebow has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T16:11:25 *exact* error. 2007-01-31T16:14:29 *** rjune has quit IRC 2007-01-31T16:14:43 *** rjune has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T16:16:23 sbalneav, can you tell me more about the program you put in /etc/X11/Xsession.d to delete dead processes? 2007-01-31T16:18:48 Yes, I'm very interested, as wel. 2007-01-31T16:19:19 *** sbalneav has quit IRC 2007-01-31T16:20:53 dan__t, what I was doing is use the /etc/gdm/PreSession and /etc/gdm/PostSession files 2007-01-31T16:21:07 Oh, that might work. 2007-01-31T16:21:24 dan__t, in the PreSession I add a killall firefox-bin i.e. to kill firefox 2007-01-31T16:21:49 dan__t, can you try and tell me the results? 2007-01-31T16:21:52 Do you know what I'm talking about though? Specifically, Nautilus really blows up. 2007-01-31T16:22:02 dan__t, btw I just have that kind of problems with firefox 2007-01-31T16:22:14 When a client comes back from an unclean restart, nautilus whines. 2007-01-31T16:22:17 ahh ok. 2007-01-31T16:22:26 Well, couldn't hurt for all users' pricesses. 2007-01-31T16:22:48 dan__t, Yep I know, if I suddenly reboot a client, then when load it says that firefox is already running and I have to kill the old process before running again 2007-01-31T16:23:03 yeah 2007-01-31T16:23:07 Alright, I'll play around with that. 2007-01-31T16:23:12 *** irule has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T16:23:14 hi 2007-01-31T16:23:18 dan__t, ok I'll be here 2007-01-31T16:23:25 brb. 2007-01-31T16:23:33 ok 2007-01-31T16:23:48 dan__t, just add this line to the /etc/gdm/PreSession/Default file 2007-01-31T16:25:49 dan-_t:i run icewm and nautilus..and use logoutcmd with pkill 4USER 2007-01-31T16:27:24 *** rene has quit IRC 2007-01-31T16:30:30 Where is the reference to logoutcmd? 2007-01-31T16:30:47 *** irule has quit IRC 2007-01-31T16:32:51 it is just a piece of icewm. 2007-01-31T16:33:09 /usr/localshare/icewm/preferences? 2007-01-31T16:34:00 oopsie in ubuntu /etc/X11/icewm 2007-01-31T16:34:55 in ubuntu...Logout Command= 2007-01-31T16:36:13 hmm...houston we got a problem.... hehe... client says PXE-T01: File not found... 2007-01-31T16:36:21 but dhcpd.conf is ok.... on edubuntu 64... 2007-01-31T16:36:43 /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.comf ? 2007-01-31T16:36:47 filename "/ltsp/i386.... hmm ops.... i386? 2007-01-31T16:36:47 *conf 2007-01-31T16:36:52 yes 2007-01-31T16:37:06 oh, right ... change that to amd64 ... 2007-01-31T16:37:09 thats a bug 2007-01-31T16:37:13 * ogra makes a note 2007-01-31T16:37:22 got it.. change for amd64 2007-01-31T16:37:42 dan__t, sbalneav was right I think... I created a file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/40custom_kill-dead-processes containing the line: pkill firefox & 2007-01-31T16:37:49 and restart the dhcpd server 2007-01-31T16:37:50 and its working here so far 2007-01-31T16:38:09 g333k_work, ouch 2007-01-31T16:38:24 make that pkill $USER firefox 2007-01-31T16:38:29 Do you throw it $USER? 2007-01-31T16:38:30 ah yeah. 2007-01-31T16:38:30 ok 2007-01-31T16:38:35 else you kill all firefoxes you have access to 2007-01-31T16:38:53 yu 2007-01-31T16:38:55 er, yuh 2007-01-31T16:39:06 ogra, this scripts doesnt run when the users log in? 2007-01-31T16:39:15 sure 2007-01-31T16:39:22 but if you log in twice ? 2007-01-31T16:39:48 users do such stuff 2007-01-31T16:39:50 ogra, so i wouldnt kill all firefox processes that this $user owns? 2007-01-31T16:40:09 Sounds fair to me heh. 2007-01-31T16:40:21 ogra, almost impossible here... my users log in automatically 2007-01-31T16:40:21 howwooooo howwoooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry,... to happiness... 3 days on it..... 64/64 bootin screen on the client!!!!!!! 2007-01-31T16:40:51 nofxx, congrats :) 2007-01-31T16:40:52 tnx ogra, cliebow!!!! 2007-01-31T16:41:10 g333k_work, weel, go for it then 2007-01-31T16:41:13 *well 2007-01-31T16:41:13 ogra, so whats your solution for me then? I have problems with firefox already running when my clients suddenly reboot 2007-01-31T16:41:41 the actual fix should be firefox gracefully dying ... 2007-01-31T16:41:53 if its display goes away 2007-01-31T16:42:25 ogra, it happens when you keep the client off for a couple of minutes 2007-01-31T16:42:33 so your workaround is the best you have atm ... but try to bug upstream to fix the app 2007-01-31T16:43:35 linux' one and only problem is that people are satisfied with workarounds ... else we'd have bypassed windows and MACOS already 2007-01-31T16:43:39 ogra, I was using the PreSession and PosSession files of gdm... until I read this option 2007-01-31T16:44:25 Xsession.d is the better place ... 2007-01-31T16:44:57 PreSession and PosSession wil likely be overwritten on upgrades (depending on your distro i guess) 2007-01-31T16:45:16 so adding your own script to Xsession.d is the safe way 2007-01-31T16:46:16 ogra, ok... 2007-01-31T16:47:07 As I said I'm using automatically log-in to my users... but I cannot make the wait for less of 5 seconds before log-in, is it a limit of gdm? 2007-01-31T16:48:04 oh my... oh my,... I've opened the champagne too soon...... same kernel panic...... but now I have some error lines!! ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device" "ipconfig: no devices to configure" "/init: .: 1: Can't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf"... Kernel panic... 2007-01-31T16:48:20 hmm 2007-01-31T16:48:23 please someone tell me the address of the kernel.. I'll gonna show him what is real panic! 2007-01-31T16:48:31 seems the module for your network card is missing 2007-01-31T16:48:53 do you know what kind of card that is ? 2007-01-31T16:48:56 its a broadcom 10/100 phy... onboard ecs mobo...nividia chipset.... 2007-01-31T16:49:14 hmm, broadcom ... 2007-01-31T16:49:21 did you ever see it booting ? 2007-01-31T16:49:31 with any linux 2007-01-31T16:49:33 nope... they are new... 2007-01-31T16:49:48 fat clients without hd 2007-01-31T16:49:55 try to find out if the BICs are linux supported at all 2007-01-31T16:50:01 *NICs 2007-01-31T16:50:21 *** jammcq has quit IRC 2007-01-31T16:50:22 nvidia and broadcom both sound scary ... 2007-01-31T16:50:56 my old nvidia2 / athlon xp worked fine.. xD 2007-01-31T16:51:03 how can I check that ....?? 2007-01-31T16:53:12 google for the model and brandname of the card 2007-01-31T16:53:35 and find out if there is a kernel module and which one that is 2007-01-31T16:58:36 *** npnutn has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T17:00:44 *** tiagovaz has quit IRC 2007-01-31T17:05:16 Hi, is there a way to reboot a terminal when its server goes away? 2007-01-31T17:06:25 you could write a script 2007-01-31T17:06:35 that runs on the client and pings constantly 2007-01-31T17:06:49 if five pings dont get through you shut down 2007-01-31T17:08:10 *** ogra has quit IRC 2007-01-31T17:09:50 Hi, is there a way to reboot a terminal when its server goes away? 2007-01-31T17:09:59 I think ogra missunderstood me 2007-01-31T17:10:18 *** msinhore has quit IRC 2007-01-31T17:10:54 g333k_work: when you say "goes away" what do you mean? Halts? 2007-01-31T17:11:29 npnutn, yep... halts.. goes down 2007-01-31T17:12:18 Hmm. Like an admin shuts it down, or it goes down unplanned? 2007-01-31T17:12:47 npnutn, goes down for any reason... lets say.... out of RAM 2007-01-31T17:14:29 I would have to agree with ogra (before he left). If there was a script on the terminal that pinged every few seconds (or even checked for X traffic), it could execute a shutdown -r. 2007-01-31T17:14:53 Hopefully, servers going down or running out of RAM is a rare occurance! 2007-01-31T17:16:36 npnutn, when the server is halted... it still reply to pings... well the layer 1 ping... maybe I should try with an application layer ping 2007-01-31T17:19:41 *** ogra has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T17:21:39 Am I correct that LTSP cannot operate without BIND? 2007-01-31T17:24:37 Am I correct that LTSP cannot operate without BIND? I am asking for a very specific reason. 2007-01-31T17:24:48 *** Faithful has quit IRC 2007-01-31T17:29:16 Shingoshi: you do not need BIND at all 2007-01-31T17:30:15 you need DHCP, TFTP, NFS ... 2007-01-31T17:30:21 thats it 2007-01-31T17:36:27 Hi, whats wrong with my lts.conf file? when booting it tells me that there is a parse error in line 31, http://pastebin.ca/334891 2007-01-31T17:40:21 ogra: Which of them is most critical to your operation? 2007-01-31T17:40:34 all 2007-01-31T17:40:49 they are what ltsp essentially is 2007-01-31T17:41:13 g333k_work: nothing leaps out at me, especially near line 31. 2007-01-31T17:41:24 ogra: How much if any codevelopment is done between these projects? 2007-01-31T17:41:33 to netboot you need a dhcp server that responds to your PXE/etherboot/bootp/... requests 2007-01-31T17:41:52 it then points you t a tftp server that serves you th ebootkernel 2007-01-31T17:42:23 Shingoshi, ogra: I saw a guy who used a Samba share instead of NFS. URL fails me, though. 2007-01-31T17:42:38 the bootkernel is configured to mount a mini linux readonly via NFS as the main filesystem 2007-01-31T17:43:00 well, any network filesystem will do indeed 2007-01-31T17:43:02 What advantages can you see in Samba over NFS? 2007-01-31T17:43:06 but you need one 2007-01-31T17:43:07 none 2007-01-31T17:43:14 Mixed environment. 2007-01-31T17:43:15 else we would take samba 2007-01-31T17:43:42 AFS is very intersting 2007-01-31T17:43:51 but you need at least three servers for it 2007-01-31T17:44:17 Hmm. I'm not familiar with AFS. What are its advantages? 2007-01-31T17:44:27 its failsafe 2007-01-31T17:44:27 What is required to configure an openmosix kernel for ebootkerenl? 2007-01-31T17:44:56 no idea, there is no proper iplementation for openmosix in 2.6 yet ... 2007-01-31T17:45:21 You guys couldn't see it, but Shingoshi's last question just flew over my head =-O 2007-01-31T17:45:30 but you likely need to apply the patches etc ... its totally independent from the client bootkernel though 2007-01-31T17:46:07 its something you do to the server kernel ... to share the load amongst different servers 2007-01-31T17:46:27 OK. Duh. I remember now... 2007-01-31T17:46:32 I want each node to run the openmosix kernel. So the terminal server would need to distribute these. Still over your head? 2007-01-31T17:47:28 ... I'm still in "thin client = weak client" mode. It sounds like it would go well with ogra's "fat-client" project. 2007-01-31T17:47:53 What is fat-client? 2007-01-31T17:47:54 Shingoshi, well, get such a kernel image then ... add the bits you need for configuration to the client chroot and you should be set 2007-01-31T17:48:23 Where do I find fat-client? 2007-01-31T17:48:26 Fat-client = workstation minus HD. 2007-01-31T17:48:29 npnutn, actually a normal ltsp5 setup suffices for Shingoshi's setup ... 2007-01-31T17:49:00 but there are no openmosix kernel packages neither for ubuntu nor debian ... 2007-01-31T17:49:11 All processes run locally, storage is via remote share (NFS, Samba, etc.) 2007-01-31T17:49:19 so it will get a bit fiddly with a lot of manual work 2007-01-31T17:49:22 There is for Gentoo. 2007-01-31T17:49:42 Naturally, for Gentoo ;-) 2007-01-31T17:50:09 Shingoshi, gentoo has no ltsp5 implementaion yet, that means you need to grab the ltsp 4.2 LBE and build *everything* yourself 2007-01-31T17:50:28 *** knight has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T17:50:32 If everything is "naturally Gentoo", why aren't we all "naturally Gentoo? 2007-01-31T17:50:35 hi all 2007-01-31T17:50:50 I am using ubuntu for an ltsp setup 2007-01-31T17:50:55 Shingoshi, i'm not naturally gentoo ... 2007-01-31T17:51:05 i prefer userfriendlyness :) 2007-01-31T17:51:12 Shingoshi: some of us like to use our processors for more than compiling packages [ducks] 2007-01-31T17:51:20 I am having issues withthe thin client not having access to the nfs root dir 2007-01-31T17:51:35 knight, which version 2007-01-31T17:51:40 (of ubuntu) 2007-01-31T17:51:41 dapper 2007-01-31T17:51:44 What would it take to create an LTSP specific distribution? 2007-01-31T17:51:52 and nfs is already running as a service 2007-01-31T17:52:15 your /etc7ltsp/dhcpd.conf file is ok ? 2007-01-31T17:52:24 yes 2007-01-31T17:52:25 Shingoshi: there is one built on Red Hat, iirc. 2007-01-31T17:52:35 you want an example of it 2007-01-31T17:52:43 A distribution built around LTSP, rather than LTSP built around a distribution? 2007-01-31T17:52:46 Shingoshi, take an ubuntu CD and rip off what you dont like :) 2007-01-31T17:53:08 ltsp5 is completely developed inside ubuntu and debian 2007-01-31T17:53:17 so you have the bits included 2007-01-31T17:53:30 oh ok 2007-01-31T17:53:34 Great. 2007-01-31T17:53:42 so whats new in ltsp 5 2007-01-31T17:53:49 everything 2007-01-31T17:53:57 the whole concept is different 2007-01-31T17:54:03 ok 2007-01-31T17:54:13 like what 2007-01-31T17:54:16 name one 2007-01-31T17:54:38 Is there any one version of Ubuntu which is better for this? 2007-01-31T17:54:40 http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5 2007-01-31T17:55:01 Shingoshi, from edgy 6.10 on ... 2007-01-31T17:55:10 ok 2007-01-31T17:55:17 if you want fully integrated ltsp out of the box take edubuntu 2007-01-31T17:55:23 question 2007-01-31T17:55:26 but thats a matter of taste indeed 2007-01-31T17:55:41 have you gguys fixd the issue of xubuntu 2007-01-31T17:55:46 Shingoshi: I'm not having great luck with Edgy 6.10 and sound. 2007-01-31T17:56:03 when the thinclients are alowwed to shutdown the server 2007-01-31T17:56:07 knight, ask the xubuntu guys ... i'm not ivolved in xfce 2007-01-31T17:56:23 no ltsp in xubuntu 2007-01-31T17:56:36 has an issue 2007-01-31T17:56:36 its not an ltsp issue 2007-01-31T17:56:37 I read somewhere that Debian/Ubuntu share the same or similar files system as Gentoo for 64bit. Is that true? /lib32 /usr/lib32 2007-01-31T17:56:47 where the thin clients are able to shutdown the server 2007-01-31T17:56:58 knight, yes, thats an xfce bug 2007-01-31T17:57:02 oh ok 2007-01-31T17:57:07 thank see ya later 2007-01-31T17:57:14 I am running x86_64. How are you guys doing with that? 2007-01-31T17:57:16 shouldn't that just be a root_squash thing? 2007-01-31T17:57:22 *** knight has quit IRC 2007-01-31T17:57:39 Shingoshi, very fine ... 2007-01-31T17:57:52 Shingoshi: Flash 9 doesn't support 64 bit. Do you need it? 2007-01-31T17:57:57 even though its useless unless you run processes that really use more than 4GB 2007-01-31T17:57:58 How about my previous question? 2007-01-31T17:58:10 Not really 2007-01-31T17:58:16 I read somewhere that Debian/Ubuntu share the same or similar files system as Gentoo for 64bit. Is that true? /lib32 /usr/lib32 2007-01-31T17:58:40 what do you mean with filesytem ? 2007-01-31T17:58:47 yes 2007-01-31T17:58:57 typo 2007-01-31T17:59:11 ???? 2007-01-31T17:59:36 Filesystem brings Ext3, XFS, ReiserFS, etc. to mind 2007-01-31T17:59:45 I'm sure all are supported by all. 2007-01-31T18:00:28 I want to have a filesystem which is compatable between Gentoo and Ububntu. I mean FHS 2007-01-31T18:00:48 why would you want that ? yu cant chare binaries anyway 2007-01-31T18:00:53 *share 2007-01-31T18:00:57 I mean the directory structure. 2007-01-31T18:01:07 well still ... 2007-01-31T18:01:08 why 2007-01-31T18:01:25 ubuntu wont install if you dont format the partition ... 2007-01-31T18:02:00 and even if you would be able to install over ... it would just leave you with a mess 2007-01-31T18:02:04 I think I would rather Gentoo. I have tried it recently, and I really like building things from scratch. 2007-01-31T18:02:10 worse than windows 95 2007-01-31T18:02:29 g'night all 2007-01-31T18:02:31 so why would you want to share libs then ? 2007-01-31T18:02:36 *** npnutn has left #ltsp 2007-01-31T18:03:02 That's why I only want the LTSP portion. 2007-01-31T18:03:41 If I could get the LTSP5 source, I could build it myself. 2007-01-31T18:04:05 source? 2007-01-31T18:04:50 Shingoshi, https://launchpad.net/~ogra/+branch/ltsp/ltsp-mainline 2007-01-31T18:04:55 If there was a package which contained everything required to install LTSP5 on any distribution, that's what I want. 2007-01-31T18:04:55 thats the source 2007-01-31T18:05:10 thats not how ltsp5 works 2007-01-31T18:05:22 I am going to get it now. bbl 2007-01-31T18:05:36 *** envite has quit IRC 2007-01-31T18:06:12 someone needs to RTFM 2007-01-31T18:06:37 thats why i pasted the wiki url :) 2007-01-31T18:07:01 good job 2007-01-31T18:07:20 well, it wants to be read first ... else the job was missed :) 2007-01-31T18:07:25 ok. I checked it out. Do I use bazaar to download all of this? 2007-01-31T18:07:30 yep 2007-01-31T18:07:40 me^ 2007-01-31T18:07:43 just bzr get .... 2007-01-31T18:07:55 ok 2007-01-31T18:08:25 now i need to RTFM. what is bazaar? 2007-01-31T18:08:32 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowtoWriteLTSP5Plugins might also be intresting 2007-01-31T18:08:50 chupacabra, http://bazaar-vcs.org/ 2007-01-31T18:09:24 ogra: how much is there in server side changes beyond setting up dhcp tftp nfs ..any bits there that make ldm talk to server? 2007-01-31T18:09:41 oic 2007-01-31T18:09:44 yes, since edgy we have ldminfod 2007-01-31T18:10:06 but if you dont have it you simply miss session and language selection in ldm ... 2007-01-31T18:10:07 so there is a server side daemon listening 2007-01-31T18:10:34 oh i see..but no ssh tunnel piece on the server side.. 2007-01-31T18:10:39 well, its doing an ls of the available locales and returns it on an inetd request 2007-01-31T18:10:49 totally trivial 2007-01-31T18:10:55 20 lines of code or so 2007-01-31T18:11:15 and ldm is written to just ignore it if its not there 2007-01-31T18:11:22 Think I did something wrong. I did "bzr get http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ogra/ltsp/ltsp-mainline" 2007-01-31T18:11:39 Shingoshi, thats fine ... 2007-01-31T18:11:48 it should download the branch then 2007-01-31T18:12:07 I got plent of errors. Can I pastebin it to you? 2007-01-31T18:12:15 cliebow, additionally we have nbdswapd in edgy .... 2007-01-31T18:12:41 ok 2007-01-31T18:12:45 it creates swapfiles on the fly and cleans up if a connection goes away 2007-01-31T18:12:46 ok..i need to read the init scripts 2007-01-31T18:12:48 bash: bzr: command not found 2007-01-31T18:12:51 hehe 2007-01-31T18:12:59 apt-get install bzr ;) 2007-01-31T18:13:08 Shingoshi, sure 2007-01-31T18:13:31 hmm cant think..reggae music stopped 2007-01-31T18:13:36 i havn't put apt on this centos box 2007-01-31T18:14:07 well, then yum something bzr :) 2007-01-31T18:14:14 hehehe 2007-01-31T18:14:51 ogra: http://phpfi.com/199355 2007-01-31T18:14:53 i bet the ubuntu ltsp server has it. 2007-01-31T18:15:49 Shingoshi, you should do what it suggests :) 2007-01-31T18:15:54 also ask in #bzr 2007-01-31T18:16:05 they will be intrested in that error 2007-01-31T18:16:08 What did I miss? 2007-01-31T18:16:22 read the output .... 2007-01-31T18:16:35 at the bottom it says: 2007-01-31T18:16:36 ** please send this report to bazaar@lists.ubuntu.com 2007-01-31T18:16:36 Press any key to continue... 2007-01-31T18:16:55 ok 2007-01-31T18:17:37 looks like a roblem with your pyexpat module 2007-01-31T18:20:10 Is pyexpat part of python, or do I have to install it separately? 2007-01-31T18:20:37 in ubuntu its in the python-xml package 2007-01-31T18:20:53 but i'd really /join #bzr first and show them the paste 2007-01-31T18:21:22 ok. I better check the Slackware packages. Yes I am running Slamd64. 2007-01-31T18:21:50 ok. I'll do that now! 2007-01-31T18:22:11 nbdswap is only if you call for it with "challenged" clients? 2007-01-31T18:23:38 well, it creates the swapfiles on the fly ... apart from that its only an inetd wrapper around the normal nbd-server 2007-01-31T18:23:47 i guess im asking .if you took chroot and kernels and popped em on a dapper machine what would be missing.. 2007-01-31T18:23:56 ltspfs 2007-01-31T18:24:14 the nbdsapd and ldminfod 2007-01-31T18:24:19 ahh..ok.. 2007-01-31T18:24:27 and their entries in inetd.conf 2007-01-31T18:24:36 yep 2007-01-31T18:24:56 for ltspfs its important to use the edgy source ... 2007-01-31T18:27:46 slackware? 2007-01-31T18:28:03 ok 2007-01-31T18:28:29 I love volkerding and all but not for ltsp. 2007-01-31T18:29:01 havnt had a chance to try localdevs at all..the pieces provided vy i386 muekow would integrate with the ppc chroot? 2007-01-31T18:29:32 yep 2007-01-31T18:29:54 all platform independent python :) 2007-01-31T18:30:06 i just see tons of ppc clients becoming available...we bought our ibooks at 40 bucks a poiece..tidy..neat installation 2007-01-31T18:30:55 the toilet seat or the white one ? 2007-01-31T18:31:20 i gotta push to put our dhcp in linux...windows dhcp so far hasnt cut it for anything but the old puke colored bondis' 2007-01-31T18:31:38 toilet seat...chiclets i call em 2007-01-31T18:31:45 heh 2007-01-31T18:32:19 since even after 5 years i have no budget..and do half the computer services in the building 2007-01-31T18:33:10 but there is no tidy dhcp gui in linux the other guys can use to admin it 2007-01-31T18:33:23 just present them the cost difference between maintaining a linux vs win dhcp 2007-01-31T18:33:35 hmm 2007-01-31T18:33:58 ive robbed the dhcp interface from smoothwall and trying to modify it..it is perl..so i know enough to e dangerous 2007-01-31T18:34:01 there are some tools ... its ages iago i did dig that stuff but did you look at gnomefiles.org ? 2007-01-31T18:34:12 i will 2007-01-31T18:35:08 Gadi's work with ebmin is a possibility too 2007-01-31T18:35:14 webmin 2007-01-31T18:35:35 doe it have an upstream again ? 2007-01-31T18:35:57 i dont know..there is always Gadi 8~) 2007-01-31T18:36:04 heh 2007-01-31T18:37:44 loking forward to trying cbx33's interface..it looks awesome..makes the windows admin jealous 2007-01-31T18:38:31 yeah, it starts coming along 2007-01-31T18:39:13 i will integrate the backend stuff inot python-ltsp later 2007-01-31T18:39:19 *into 2007-01-31T18:39:55 so you can just import the ltsp module and get a list of al connected users with a simple function call 2007-01-31T18:40:19 that will make writing any kind of ltsp integrated app a breeze 2007-01-31T18:47:08 *** xuxa_ has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T18:50:25 awesome 2007-01-31T18:51:06 *** tessier_ has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T18:51:08 WOW 2007-01-31T18:51:17 An LTSP channel! 2007-01-31T18:51:52 Dude!! 2007-01-31T18:52:16 best in thee World..as impudee sats 2007-01-31T18:53:08 ogra: I got it fixed. Thank you! I have the mainline now. Going to work on it now! 2007-01-31T18:53:10 We probably have around 30 LTSP workstations in the company. All purchased from disklessworkstations.com 2007-01-31T18:53:46 cool 2007-01-31T18:55:11 tessier-: be sure jammcq knows that when you have questions 2007-01-31T18:55:37 wish they'd let me but 50 or so 2007-01-31T18:58:22 Oh come on... Can you help me to be able to log by ssh to my clients? 2007-01-31T18:58:36 *** Faithful has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T18:59:08 I have tried following the wiki guide, but I had no good results 2007-01-31T19:00:15 *** xuxa has quit IRC 2007-01-31T19:02:14 ogra: I am so absent-minded I didn't realize you were on both lines. That's FUNNY!! 2007-01-31T19:02:38 well, i didnt say anything in #bzr before :) 2007-01-31T19:02:52 I will definitely be in touch! 2007-01-31T19:03:32 g333k-work::this in ubuntu ltsp5? 2007-01-31T19:03:45 Considering that I have six tabs open here, it's easy to get lost! 2007-01-31T19:03:59 ogra: ^ 2007-01-31T19:04:28 g333k_work, in ltsp5 it would be: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install openss-server 2007-01-31T19:04:42 sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 adduser $USER 2007-01-31T19:05:14 and then copy over the key from /home/$USER to /opt/ltsp/i386/home/$USER 2007-01-31T19:05:32 .ssh? 2007-01-31T19:05:40 yeah 2007-01-31T19:06:09 the id_rsa.pub file 2007-01-31T19:06:22 *** monteslu has quit IRC 2007-01-31T19:06:35 and add it to .ssh/authorized_keys 2007-01-31T19:06:42 thats it 2007-01-31T19:27:18 *** ws005 has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T19:27:25 *** irule has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T19:27:35 *** ws005 has left #ltsp 2007-01-31T19:28:26 rpl boot rom, this is what the BIOS settings at an american megatrends shows me when selecting to boot from network, is this supported? thanks 2007-01-31T19:34:38 ogra, thanks 2007-01-31T19:34:57 go to sleep byee 2007-01-31T19:39:36 *** kaos01 has quit IRC 2007-01-31T19:39:48 *** kaos01 has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T19:57:40 *** irule has quit IRC 2007-01-31T20:18:26 *** jammcq has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T20:18:30 hey kids 2007-01-31T20:23:00 hello again... sorry ogra.. i've got to leave quick... gonna find info about that model on linux now... tnx for the advice 2007-01-31T20:26:20 ho!! 2007-01-31T20:33:36 hey cliebow ! I've installed edubuntu 64 now.... got the same kernel panic.. but more output... looks like the whole problem is Broadcom AC131 10/100 Lan Phy 2007-01-31T20:36:08 gd Broadcom 2007-01-31T20:36:51 so the kernel loads..and initramfs..but dies initializing the card.. 2007-01-31T20:40:17 yes... "/init: .: 1: Ca't open /tmp/net-eth0.conf" 2007-01-31T20:40:19 kernel panic 2007-01-31T20:41:12 before /init: 2007-01-31T20:41:12 ipconfig: eth0: SIOCGIFINDEX: No such device ipconfig: no devices to configure 2007-01-31T20:42:47 the card isnt recognized in the initrd/initramfs 2007-01-31T20:44:05 the only thing I could find is a review on ebay.. damn... "Cons: Broadcom AC 131 NIC not compatible with any modern Linux distro (Fedora, Ubuntu, etc). Took me forever to figure this out as it was incorrectly recognized as a SiS 190 Gigabit adapter and driver incompatibility kept it from working. Hopefully that'll be fixed soon." 2007-01-31T20:47:20 Balls! 2007-01-31T20:47:35 room for another card in the box? 2007-01-31T20:48:26 cliebow: there is... pci slots.. ahh.. I think its better to say to the guy return this hardware and buy linux friendly ones.... 2007-01-31T20:48:58 can I search for this card drivers on another kernels ? new ones 2007-01-31T20:49:04 rtl8139 cards are like 5 bucks a piece..disable the onboard..for now 2007-01-31T20:49:33 i'm on 2.16.17-10 2007-01-31T20:50:07 rtl8139... saved that... 2007-01-31T20:50:08 etherboot..if you like..burn some proms 2007-01-31T20:50:29 hm..another option... floppies..right? 2007-01-31T20:51:06 amer.com b uilds nice ones..or diskless workstations has cards all built with proms on em 2007-01-31T20:51:19 if kernel.org had a option like "search for hw compatibility..." 2007-01-31T20:51:47 the broadcom site says they support the linux community and bla bla...there are drivers...but... 2007-01-31T20:51:55 yeah.. 2007-01-31T20:52:17 broadcom has been difficult 2007-01-31T20:53:15 gotta pack it in.. 2007-01-31T20:53:29 wed night reggae is done.. 2007-01-31T20:54:54 xD 2007-01-31T20:55:05 reggae rocks! xD 2007-01-31T20:59:20 *** Faithful has quit IRC 2007-01-31T21:04:03 *** Faithful has joined #ltsp 2007-01-31T21:18:30 hey.. I found a way to install broadcom on linux.... so.. I did it in the chroot folder.. ... what command I need to rebuild my chroot image?? 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Thanks. 2007-10-31T08:06:09 *** Amaranth has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T08:09:25 *** jammcq has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T08:10:06 *** ogra has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T08:10:32 cliebow_: top 'o the mornin' to ya! 2007-10-31T08:10:38 sbalneav: playing with intelmac..with pxelinux.0 i see two packets..then fragmented ip packets..with nbi.img it downloads 746 packets..one packet then 4 fragmented then anoher packet 4 fragmented... 2007-10-31T08:10:46 dtrask:and to you as well... 2007-10-31T08:11:29 sbalneav: all the way to the end..at ewhich point it starts right in downloading nbi.img all over agaoin 2007-10-31T08:13:31 *** ogra1 has quit IRC 2007-10-31T08:14:48 *** mhterres has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T08:14:54 hello guys 2007-10-31T08:15:17 Hey, I think I'm having a problem with VGA 2007-10-31T08:15:22 lspci says: 2007-10-31T08:15:37 VGA compatible controller: National Semiconductor Corporation Geode GX2 Graphics Processor 2007-10-31T08:15:55 but LTSP 5(Ubuntu Gutsy) hangs up with it 2007-10-31T08:16:07 hello jammcq, morning 2007-10-31T08:16:59 mhterres you may have to specify nsc driver 2007-10-31T08:17:19 hmmm, nsc 2007-10-31T08:17:30 ok, I'm trying vesa without success 2007-10-31T08:17:33 let me sse 2007-10-31T08:17:34 see 2007-10-31T08:17:47 mhterres: Yeah, the AMD Geode driver has a problem 2007-10-31T08:18:01 mhterres: hey, you still traveling with marlon? 2007-10-31T08:18:19 Yoy'll have to provide a pre-defined xorg.conf file, and set it with X_CONF = ... 2007-10-31T08:18:34 mhterres: See Bug #140051 on Launchpad. 2007-10-31T08:18:40 sbalneav: hey, yoy 2007-10-31T08:18:47 Hey jammcq 2007-10-31T08:19:03 hello sbalneav, I did not see you here :-) 2007-10-31T08:19:20 jammcq: Yes, we are in Bagé 2007-10-31T08:19:30 south of Rio Grande do Sul 2007-10-31T08:19:36 near from Uruguai 2007-10-31T08:19:49 yeah, he was telling me about picking you up at 4am 2007-10-31T08:20:18 yes 2007-10-31T08:20:18 If a thin client has an 815 intel graphics chip, do we now get 3D graffics support on Edubuntu thin clients? 2007-10-31T08:20:31 but he picked me up at 6:30am 2007-10-31T08:20:36 heh 2007-10-31T08:20:40 cause the rain was very strong in the night :-) 2007-10-31T08:20:44 oh 2007-10-31T08:20:47 Marlon says hello 2007-10-31T08:21:09 * jammcq tunnels a "hello" through mhterres 2007-10-31T08:21:20 hehhe 2007-10-31T08:21:22 great 2007-10-31T08:21:23 :-) 2007-10-31T08:21:36 thanks sbalneav 2007-10-31T08:23:49 jammcq:dont know if you read earlier post..but do you suppose tftp transfer blocksize can be reduced? increased? for intelmac tftp? 2007-10-31T08:24:39 yes 2007-10-31T08:24:44 well 2007-10-31T08:24:57 the default is 512 2007-10-31T08:25:23 the protocol was then "enhanced" to support a 'blksize' request to say it's ok to use larger blocks 2007-10-31T08:26:02 I think the server advertises whether it supports the blksize option, then the client has to request it 2007-10-31T08:26:15 ok/lemm look thru this capture 2007-10-31T08:26:25 we are starting the FISL 9 movement 2007-10-31T08:26:28 movements 2007-10-31T08:26:39 mhterres: you working on the committee ? 2007-10-31T08:26:40 the call for papers will start soon 2007-10-31T08:26:50 again in community events 2007-10-31T08:26:59 mhterres: count on me to be there 2007-10-31T08:27:08 yes, off course 2007-10-31T08:27:19 and you Scott ? 2007-10-31T08:27:36 and Ogra ? Did you guys convinced him to come next year ? 2007-10-31T08:27:37 :-) 2007-10-31T08:27:53 client is requesting blocksize of 512 alright 2007-10-31T08:28:15 blksize 512 tsize 6111050 2007-10-31T08:29:09 then negotiation fails.. 2007-10-31T08:29:25 client then requests blocksize of 8192 2007-10-31T08:29:26 jammcq: but I'm doing all the community event organization in a remote way, cause I can't participate in the meetings. I don't have time now. But I did this this year and works fine. 2007-10-31T08:29:43 server acknowledges 2007-10-31T08:30:06 sbalneav: So the ltsp-localapps spec wiki can be marked up still? 2007-10-31T08:34:43 sbalneav: I use the nsc driver in the pre-defined xorg.conf ? 2007-10-31T08:35:44 cliebow_: you can tell your server to NOT support the blksize request, which means the client should stay at 512 2007-10-31T08:36:09 ok 2007-10-31T08:36:49 joebaker: Yep, I'm adding to it now. 2007-10-31T08:38:34 mhterres: In gutsy, it's now "amd" 2007-10-31T08:38:55 *** plamengr has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T08:39:44 sbalneav: thanks 2007-10-31T08:43:09 OK, Fedora 8 is done, I'm available to attend sessions starting tomorrow. 2007-10-31T08:43:21 warren: HEY !!! 2007-10-31T08:43:32 jammcq, hello 2007-10-31T08:43:42 warren: you gonna join us this weekend? 2007-10-31T08:43:45 jammcq, yes 2007-10-31T08:43:52 fantastic !!! 2007-10-31T08:43:53 jammcq, despite the really long drive, yes. 2007-10-31T08:44:04 it'll be in a nice big suburban 2007-10-31T08:44:10 jammcq, unsuccessful in convincing any other hackers to go, mainly because of the distance. 2007-10-31T08:44:20 they are all sissies 2007-10-31T08:44:24 jammcq, I will need to drive myself, because how else will I get back? =) 2007-10-31T08:44:43 we're dropping a few people back in boston on monday afternoon 2007-10-31T08:44:47 jammcq, when do you plan on arriving and departing from there? 2007-10-31T08:44:50 jammcq, oh really? 2007-10-31T08:44:51 cool 2007-10-31T08:44:52 hmmm 2007-10-31T08:44:54 yes, really 2007-10-31T08:45:12 jammcq, how is Eric getting to Portland, ME? 2007-10-31T08:45:16 I've been promising people that we'll have them back by 5pm 2007-10-31T08:45:19 jammcq: Are we splitting the drive back home over two days? 2007-10-31T08:45:21 we're dropping him along the way 2007-10-31T08:45:25 sbalneav: yep 2007-10-31T08:45:28 ah, ok 2007-10-31T08:45:41 BOS->Rochester-ny on monday evening 2007-10-31T08:45:55 jammcq, what's the plan for date/time of BOS departure and BOS arrival? 2007-10-31T08:46:08 *** slidesinger has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T08:46:12 jammcq, that's quite some driving 2007-10-31T08:46:23 jammcq, is that a rented Suburban? 2007-10-31T08:46:27 leaving Boston area around 9 or 10pm on friday evening, heading up to Freeport, ME 2007-10-31T08:46:33 warren: nope, it's mine 2007-10-31T08:46:39 hu jammcq 2007-10-31T08:46:42 hey slidesinger 2007-10-31T08:46:49 jammcq, how long did it take to drive from Michigan? 2007-10-31T08:46:50 sbalneav: any word on that dinner on friday nite? 2007-10-31T08:46:59 warren: well, i'm still in michigan 2007-10-31T08:47:05 it's about 12 hrs tho 2007-10-31T08:47:07 took me ~11 hours 2007-10-31T08:53:44 what's the address of the hotel in Southwest Harbor? 2007-10-31T08:54:35 warren: there isnt one.. 2007-10-31T08:54:44 huh? 2007-10-31T08:54:46 errr..Seawall Road i guess 2007-10-31T08:54:53 no address? 2007-10-31T08:55:01 does the hotel have a website? 2007-10-31T08:55:05 http://www.seawallmotel.com/ 2007-10-31T08:55:09 yes, there's a street address 2007-10-31T08:55:10 heh lemme look..or you can google for seawall motel 2007-10-31T08:55:16 chuck is just pulling your leg 2007-10-31T08:55:29 8~) 2007-10-31T08:58:19 *** dtrask_ has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T08:59:38 dtrask:know anything of intel macasr? 2007-10-31T08:59:43 dtrask:know anything of intel mac asr? 2007-10-31T09:00:30 jammcq, you're seriously driving from BOS, arriving in Maine at like 3am? 2007-10-31T09:00:44 sbalneav: something like this ? 2007-10-31T09:00:46 X_CONF = /etc/ltsp/xorg.amd.conf 2007-10-31T09:00:54 warren: no, stopping along the way 2007-10-31T09:00:58 sam problem... :-( 2007-10-31T09:01:00 same 2007-10-31T09:01:01 oh 2007-10-31T09:01:03 freeport is like three hours.. 2007-10-31T09:01:06 from BOS to Freeport 2007-10-31T09:01:10 2.5 hrs 2007-10-31T09:01:18 we should be there around 12 or 12:30 2007-10-31T09:01:19 jammcq, so wont get to the motel until? 2007-10-31T09:01:29 spending friday night in freeport 2007-10-31T09:01:33 oh 2007-10-31T09:01:39 then, saturday morning going to SWHarbor 2007-10-31T09:01:56 mhterres: well, you'll have to put the file in the chroot somewhere, say /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/ltsp-amd.conf 2007-10-31T09:02:03 then ltsp-update-image 2007-10-31T09:02:24 then in lts.conf X_CONF=/etc/X11/ltsp-amd.conf 2007-10-31T09:02:33 Yes, I did it :-( 2007-10-31T09:03:05 I create the file /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/xorg.amd.conf 2007-10-31T09:03:10 Well, SCREEN_07=shell, then try starting Xorg manually 2007-10-31T09:03:18 see what errors you get. 2007-10-31T09:03:25 hmmm, great idea :-) 2007-10-31T09:06:32 hmm 2007-10-31T09:07:01 I can't go to shell, cause it is not responding the keyboard 2007-10-31T09:07:13 but I can log in the client using ssh 2007-10-31T09:07:16 from my note 2007-10-31T09:07:16 warren: I do have 1 seat available in my car, if you want to ride with us 2007-10-31T09:07:17 jammcq, how many people are in your Suburban from BOS -> ME and back? 2007-10-31T09:07:23 hm 2007-10-31T09:07:27 with you.... 6 2007-10-31T09:07:37 nice-n-comfortable that way 2007-10-31T09:08:00 mhterres: What happens if you set the root password, and log in on the getty on tty1? 2007-10-31T09:08:04 and I think Jorge has some room, and Davidj is renting a car, he'll likely have room 2007-10-31T09:08:11 chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ 2007-10-31T09:08:13 passwd 2007-10-31T09:08:18 I did this 2007-10-31T09:08:22 2007-10-31T09:08:25 exit 2007-10-31T09:08:30 but I can't access tty1 in the client 2007-10-31T09:08:32 ltsp-update-image 2007-10-31T09:08:41 looks like the keyboard is not responding 2007-10-31T09:08:41 You can't access tty1? 2007-10-31T09:08:49 Wow 2007-10-31T09:08:54 yes 2007-10-31T09:08:57 that is the problem 2007-10-31T09:09:03 :-( 2007-10-31T09:09:05 So LTSP-5 in Fedora is beginning to shape up 2007-10-31T09:09:09 * jammcq wonders what he's set SCREEN_01 to 2007-10-31T09:09:13 which Edubuntu should I download to compare? 2007-10-31T09:09:18 warren: yes, that's what I've been hearing 2007-10-31T09:09:27 mhterres: Please paste your lts.conf to the pastebot 2007-10-31T09:09:30 !pastebot 2007-10-31T09:09:31 sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel. 2007-10-31T09:09:48 in the other thin client I can access tty1 without problems 2007-10-31T09:10:18 *** sakhi__ has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T09:10:31 Someone pasted "My /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/337 2007-10-31T09:10:34 done 2007-10-31T09:11:05 *** jvanrooy1n has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T09:11:11 ohi all 2007-10-31T09:11:30 I have just installed Edubuntu 7.10 on 2 servers, the thin client boots on the one server but it does not boot on the second server. what could be wrong? 2007-10-31T09:11:40 *** dtrask has quit IRC 2007-10-31T09:11:46 they are both the same spec 2007-10-31T09:13:26 ltsppbot: hi 2007-10-31T09:16:30 sakhi__: What's your network laid out like? 2007-10-31T09:16:42 Maybe you've got some double'd ip addresses? 2007-10-31T09:17:18 mhterres: Well, that seems totally normal. 2007-10-31T09:17:53 yes 2007-10-31T09:18:03 that is the most strange part :-) 2007-10-31T09:18:05 You might want to try removing the "quiet splash" from the end of /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.conf/default file. 2007-10-31T09:18:23 Just in case it's the bootsplash stuff that's hanging things up. 2007-10-31T09:18:46 I've seen that screw things up on some boxes. 2007-10-31T09:18:54 I did this yesterday with the old lts.conf 2007-10-31T09:18:57 I'll try again now 2007-10-31T09:22:07 no way Scott 2007-10-31T09:22:38 Still locks up? 2007-10-31T09:22:41 after the X try to come up, some green dashed lines pop up in the monitor and nothing else works anymore 2007-10-31T09:22:57 but I can log in the client via ssh 2007-10-31T09:22:58 Ok, well, set up the SCREEN_07=shell thing 2007-10-31T09:23:04 ok 2007-10-31T09:23:27 Then you should be able to log in via tty1 2007-10-31T09:23:32 ok 2007-10-31T09:23:37 trying it 2007-10-31T09:23:37 We'll try to start Xorg from there. 2007-10-31T09:23:48 ok 2007-10-31T09:24:30 *** Avatara has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T09:26:54 same thing 2007-10-31T09:27:03 and now I discover something interesting 2007-10-31T09:27:20 X still tried to start? 2007-10-31T09:27:25 It shouldn't 2007-10-31T09:27:30 If I press CTRL+ALT+F1, the green dashed lines change 2007-10-31T09:27:35 yeah 2007-10-31T09:27:42 I've seen that with the amd driver 2007-10-31T09:27:47 X insists upon restarting when killed 2007-10-31T09:27:48 If I presse CTRL+ALT+FXX they change again 2007-10-31T09:27:54 but X shouldn't be starting now 2007-10-31T09:27:59 so, something is happening 2007-10-31T09:28:11 I'll put this in the default section 2007-10-31T09:28:13 let me sse 2007-10-31T09:28:14 Where have you got the lts.conf file located? 2007-10-31T09:28:15 see 2007-10-31T09:28:38 /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf 2007-10-31T09:28:42 i see it on my ubuntu laptop: during shutdown, X repeatedly tries to restart, even after gdm has been cleanly told to terminate 2007-10-31T09:29:58 sure, but it shouldn't even START with SCREEN_07=shell 2007-10-31T09:30:07 there should be no X at all 2007-10-31T09:30:10 maybe a frame buffer problem ? 2007-10-31T09:30:24 I'm testing it agina, using the 2 thin clients 2007-10-31T09:30:41 But if you've removed the "quiet splash" from the pxe config, then THAT shouldn't be an issue either. 2007-10-31T09:30:55 everything should be text 2007-10-31T09:31:01 oh yes, off course 2007-10-31T09:31:51 yes, in the other client there is no X 2007-10-31T09:31:59 this is not about X 2007-10-31T09:32:06 I can't understand 2007-10-31T09:33:25 Oh, so it's screwing up IN TEXT MODE?!?! 2007-10-31T09:33:28 Yikes 2007-10-31T09:33:37 yes 2007-10-31T09:33:46 I imagine that 2007-10-31T09:34:10 Wow 2007-10-31T09:34:58 the problem is after starting the kernel log daemon 2007-10-31T09:35:03 Hmm, maybe try different "vga=" parameters on the pxe config kernel command line. 2007-10-31T09:35:07 screen goes black and don't retunr 2007-10-31T09:35:14 Oh, maybe also specify "noacpi" 2007-10-31T09:35:23 in default ? 2007-10-31T09:35:26 yeah 2007-10-31T09:35:50 How many terminals like this are there. 2007-10-31T09:35:51 ? 2007-10-31T09:37:00 In this moment just one, but It was working in 4.2 2007-10-31T09:37:14 *** primeministerp has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T09:37:25 *** Avatara has quit IRC 2007-10-31T09:37:30 Yeah, but Xorg's completely rewitten the X drivers 2007-10-31T09:37:42 yes, I know 2007-10-31T09:37:57 I just said that to guarantee that the hardware is working 2007-10-31T09:38:05 DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img fb=false pci=noacpi vga=normal 2007-10-31T09:38:17 l'm trying this right now 2007-10-31T09:38:33 is it pci=noacpi, or just noacpi? 2007-10-31T09:38:33 same problem 2007-10-31T09:38:37 :-( 2007-10-31T09:38:41 pci=noacpi 2007-10-31T09:38:54 So it's something that that box doesn't like about the 2.6 kernel then. 2007-10-31T09:39:01 maybe 2007-10-31T09:39:11 Any chance of doing a BIOS upgrade? 2007-10-31T09:39:19 no 2007-10-31T09:39:42 I'll report this problem to our client 2007-10-31T09:39:55 I guess they will buy the other thin client anyway 2007-10-31T09:40:03 You've gotten other clients working with LTSP5 though, right? 2007-10-31T09:40:15 I'd file a bug against the kernel, maybe. 2007-10-31T09:40:27 but we will buy one of this thin clients for Propus, so we will test this again :-) 2007-10-31T09:40:46 sbalneav: yes, other models is working fine 2007-10-31T09:40:51 Q-FUNK sent me a ThinCan, which uses a geode, but has a linux bios. 2007-10-31T09:41:11 Other than the amd issue, which can be solved with the X_CONF= it works fine. 2007-10-31T09:41:38 sbalneav: what you has uses linuxbios. this is why we need etherboot. 2007-10-31T09:42:00 And I've spoken to one of the X developers here, the fellow listed in Bug #140051, and they're working on the amd issue. 2007-10-31T09:42:23 bryce? 2007-10-31T09:42:35 Q-FUNK: right, we switched over to the different mke2fs bit. 2007-10-31T09:42:42 Q-FUNK: Yeah, nice guy 2007-10-31T09:42:51 Glad I was able to meet him. 2007-10-31T09:43:16 jordan at AMD also said he'd lok into it, since he notices that it bites every distro who switche dto the new X 2007-10-31T09:43:48 Yeah, it's an upstream Xorg problem. It'll get sorted out. :) 2007-10-31T09:48:41 sbalneav: so you already have the correct hardware: geode LX with LinuxBIOS 2007-10-31T09:58:16 *** jvanrooy1n has quit IRC 2007-10-31T10:07:30 kbye 2007-10-31T10:07:33 *** sakhi__ has quit IRC 2007-10-31T10:11:28 *** sbalneav has quit IRC 2007-10-31T10:17:57 *** sbalneav has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T10:18:25 Back 2007-10-31T10:19:24 Forward 2007-10-31T10:19:36 Left 2007-10-31T10:21:51 Let's do the tiiiime waaaarp agaaaaiiinnnnn.... 2007-10-31T10:22:00 hie hie 2007-10-31T10:22:08 It's just a jump to the left... 2007-10-31T10:22:18 2007-10-31T10:22:19 no one came to restore balance to the force by adding a "right" :/ 2007-10-31T10:22:26 Put your hands on your hips! 2007-10-31T10:22:36 2007-10-31T10:22:44 lol 2007-10-31T10:22:45 Sorry. 2007-10-31T10:22:50 It's halloweeen 2007-10-31T10:23:00 BOO ! 2007-10-31T10:23:04 Booyeah! 2007-10-31T10:23:13 EEEEk 2007-10-31T10:23:28 jammcq: Snagged you a shirt 2007-10-31T10:23:34 sweet 2007-10-31T10:23:38 how about some cds ? 2007-10-31T10:23:41 me me me 2007-10-31T10:23:47 Got some of those too. 2007-10-31T10:24:02 Every time I walk by the pile, I grab some more :) 2007-10-31T10:24:12 keep it up 2007-10-31T10:24:17 we've got homies that need them 2007-10-31T10:24:18 Roger. 2007-10-31T10:24:26 any word on dinner? 2007-10-31T10:24:41 No, none yet that I've been able to discern 2007-10-31T10:24:48 I'll check later today. 2007-10-31T10:25:07 u da man 2007-10-31T10:25:10 jammcq: the shirts are awesome this year 2007-10-31T10:25:14 cool 2007-10-31T10:25:51 i still have a bts 1 shirt.. 2007-10-31T10:26:01 when are they gonna have a UDS in europe? 2007-10-31T10:26:10 * jammcq is wearing his bts-1 shirt today 2007-10-31T10:26:23 Q-FUNK: they just had one, back in may 2007-10-31T10:26:43 yup 2007-10-31T10:26:46 when next? 2007-10-31T10:26:57 hmm, dunno 2007-10-31T10:27:04 ogra: any talk about where the next one is? 2007-10-31T10:27:09 not yet 2007-10-31T10:27:43 jammcq, not yet ... 2007-10-31T10:27:59 scottie got you one of these small tents here :) 2007-10-31T10:28:06 yeah, that's what he said 2007-10-31T10:28:09 can't wait to see it 2007-10-31T10:29:06 jammcq;sounds like the tail end of tropical storm thgis weekend.. 2007-10-31T10:29:25 often rocks washed right ouyt into the road 2007-10-31T10:30:01 cliebow_: cool, just the kind of weather I love 2007-10-31T10:30:06 *** sgod51_ is now known as sgod51 2007-10-31T10:30:37 get that tent waterproofed 8~) 2007-10-31T10:31:49 warren, http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/edubuntu/gutsy/ (or just come over and grab a pressed CD ;) ) 2007-10-31T10:32:09 sbalneav: do you have the thincan with you? 2007-10-31T10:32:19 No, I don't, unfortunately 2007-10-31T10:32:32 sbalneav: ok. if Gadi is there, does he have his? 2007-10-31T10:32:32 ogra, I'll wait until I see you folks in person then. 2007-10-31T10:32:57 Gadi's not here yet, so I don't know if he'll bring his or not. 2007-10-31T10:33:22 can you phone him and ask, if you have his mobile? 2007-10-31T10:33:37 the OLPC team is sending someoe over to UDS who might be able to work on the fix. 2007-10-31T10:34:29 *** moquist_ is now known as moquist 2007-10-31T10:36:49 Is it relatively easy to use 32-bit FF and associated plugins on a x86_64 gutsy-server installation? 2007-10-31T10:36:49 I don't know gadi's number, maybe jammcq does? 2007-10-31T10:43:07 *** sepski has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T10:43:53 jammcq: would you hapen to have that? 2007-10-31T10:47:53 *** sgtpepper has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T10:48:04 Hello everyone 2007-10-31T10:48:15 I'm having an issue with LOCAL_STORAGE 2007-10-31T10:48:30 udev recognizes that a new cdrom has been inserted 2007-10-31T10:48:35 but it does not mount it 2007-10-31T10:48:45 I have the My_CDrom directory empty 2007-10-31T10:48:52 I'm able to mount it manually 2007-10-31T10:52:40 BTW, I'm using LTSP 4.2 on EL 5 2007-10-31T10:55:32 !localdev 2007-10-31T10:55:33 sbalneav: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev 2007-10-31T10:55:44 http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev 2007-10-31T10:55:57 Have a look at that link, there's a debugging link from there. 2007-10-31T10:58:49 sbalneav: I've read that 2007-10-31T11:02:37 Ok, so, what step is it failing at? 2007-10-31T11:03:17 *** staffencasa has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T11:07:19 I seem to have a binary missing 2007-10-31T11:07:27 /usr/bin/ltsp 2007-10-31T11:07:54 thats what the lbus_event_handler reports 2007-10-31T11:08:53 sorry 2007-10-31T11:08:53 sbalneav, you are at the wrong table 2007-10-31T11:09:01 /usr/sbin/lstp 2007-10-31T11:09:02 fs 2007-10-31T11:09:15 *** bobby_C has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T11:09:41 *** elisboa has quit IRC 2007-10-31T11:09:53 *** elisboa has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T11:10:12 *** MagicStorm has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T11:10:43 sbalneav, gobby -> livecd-unionfs-alternatives 2007-10-31T11:13:23 jammcq, if I ride with you, when will I get back to Boston? 2007-10-31T11:15:52 sbalneav: The thing is.. It creates automatically the directories on /tmp/drives 2007-10-31T11:16:00 but it does not mount anything on them 2007-10-31T11:20:01 *** jamiejackso has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T11:21:37 Does any one know if ldm supports auto login now with gutsy. I have been using a hack ldm with feisty but this does not work with gutsy. Can any think of a way to get clients to auto login Thanks 2007-10-31T11:23:06 Both lbuss and lubcd are no longer needed, right? 2007-10-31T11:23:09 lbuscd 2007-10-31T11:24:27 warren, right 2007-10-31T11:24:30 I'm back from lunch :-) 2007-10-31T11:24:48 sgtpepper: Have you worked though the 13 step checklist? 2007-10-31T11:25:01 jamiejackso, use LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD 2007-10-31T11:25:07 sgtpepper: it DOESNT mount anything on them 2007-10-31T11:25:15 not until there's actual activity 2007-10-31T11:25:28 it umounts after a second or so of inactivity. 2007-10-31T11:25:33 yes 2007-10-31T11:25:38 Well, I try to access them 2007-10-31T11:25:54 I've a /home/foo where I've mounted /tmp/drives 2007-10-31T11:25:57 using ltspfs 2007-10-31T11:26:01 when I try to access them 2007-10-31T11:26:09 I get empty directories 2007-10-31T11:26:16 sbalneav: ^^^^^^ 2007-10-31T11:26:30 sgtpepper: please work through the 12 step procedure 2007-10-31T11:26:36 and post the results of each step 2007-10-31T11:26:39 ok 2007-10-31T11:26:46 in pastebin better? 2007-10-31T11:26:58 That's fine. 2007-10-31T11:27:22 Each step will generate some output, capture the output, and collect it together. 2007-10-31T11:27:49 on step 5 2007-10-31T11:27:54 I don't seem to have this file 2007-10-31T11:27:55 /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/lbus-start.sh 2007-10-31T11:27:55 warren, we use the ssh tunel to communicate so there is no lbus needed anymore ... and eventually this is the way to go: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/ltspfs-hal-root.png 2007-10-31T11:28:21 ogra is that how it works now? 2007-10-31T11:28:35 warren: correct, lbus isn't used anymore. 2007-10-31T11:29:08 Then you haven't got the server side bits installed correctly. 2007-10-31T11:29:18 I installed everything 2007-10-31T11:30:13 jamiejackso, the ssh tunnel is how it works now, but its still using some odd scripts we dont want and relies on gnomevfs for popping the devices on the desktop .... the next iteraton will create virtual hal devcies so hals mount mechanism can careand we dont need to duplicate funtionallity 2007-10-31T11:30:49 sgtpepper: Which rpm did you install on the server 2007-10-31T11:31:01 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ltspfs-virtual-hal-devices here is the spec we wrote for it 2007-10-31T11:31:56 ltsp-utils-0.25-4.fc6 sbalneav 2007-10-31T11:32:21 sgtpepper, what exactly are you using? 2007-10-31T11:32:24 sgtpepper, K12LTSP? 2007-10-31T11:32:32 FC6 2007-10-31T11:32:50 not ltsp-server-pkg from the wiki page? Last one up there is FC4 2007-10-31T11:32:59 no 2007-10-31T11:33:00 sgtpepper, highly recommend that you move to F8 and help us on our LTSP-5 integration 2007-10-31T11:33:04 sgtpepper, we need testers 2007-10-31T11:33:09 warren: I'm already on that 2007-10-31T11:33:22 on my laptop I'm using F8 and testing LTSP5 2007-10-31T11:34:59 sbalneav: In FC6 you have binary called ltspadm that download and Installs all packages 2007-10-31T11:35:09 (tgz) 2007-10-31T11:35:13 from the ltsp server 2007-10-31T11:35:24 Not the server ltspfs packages 2007-10-31T11:35:37 And it hasn't been updated for about two years :) 2007-10-31T11:35:47 It gets them from here 2007-10-31T11:35:47 PKG_SOURCE=http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/ltsp-4.2/ 2007-10-31T11:35:53 I've LTSP 4.2 Update 3 2007-10-31T11:35:54 (or seen security fixes) 2007-10-31T11:36:06 I'll repeat 2007-10-31T11:36:14 nobody bothered to integrate it into fedora in all this time 2007-10-31T11:36:19 it doesn't download the server side ltspfs package. 2007-10-31T11:36:24 ohh 2007-10-31T11:36:25 ok 2007-10-31T11:36:39 now I get it 2007-10-31T11:36:51 *** mistik1 has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T11:37:19 Anyway, I've ltspfs Installed on the server 2007-10-31T11:37:27 I think I used the fc4 rpm 2007-10-31T11:39:19 what is lbe? is it still needed? 2007-10-31T11:39:23 No 2007-10-31T11:39:32 It was the Ltsp Build Environment 2007-10-31T11:39:37 oh 2007-10-31T11:39:38 to compile everything from source 2007-10-31T11:39:51 Since we use distro packages, we don't need it. 2007-10-31T11:40:11 All we care about now is the ltsp bits themselves, ltspfs, ldm, etc. 2007-10-31T11:40:45 are you guys back home now? 2007-10-31T11:41:11 *** exodos has quit IRC 2007-10-31T11:41:11 No 2007-10-31T11:41:15 sbalneav: The thing I still don't get is the following: I'm using the syslog on the server to get the logs from the clients. I'm getting logs like: udev: detected add of disk, or lbuscd: A new CDROM has been inserted 2007-10-31T11:41:40 why when I try to access the dirs they don'r get mounted automatically 2007-10-31T11:42:01 Have. You. Worked. Through. The. 12. Step. Proceedure? 2007-10-31T11:42:17 *** Q-FUNK has quit IRC 2007-10-31T11:42:21 It tracks things from one end to the other. 2007-10-31T11:42:24 Yes, and I find I have some scripts and binaries missing 2007-10-31T11:42:38 in the clients 2007-10-31T11:42:55 I haven't seen the paste results yet. 2007-10-31T11:43:01 hold on 2007-10-31T11:43:06 So I don't know what you've done, and what you haven't 2007-10-31T11:43:21 I worked out the procedure so I wouldn't have to play 20 questions with everyone. 2007-10-31T11:43:23 *** Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T11:43:28 Follow the procedure. 2007-10-31T11:47:04 *** Amaranth has quit IRC 2007-10-31T11:47:06 warren, http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/bzr/ltsp/fedora/vagrant-fedora/ should actually have all you need to build the initial chroot for the client 2007-10-31T11:47:33 ogra, we had something else long before he posted that 2007-10-31T11:47:36 (as "replacemnt" of lbe :) ) 2007-10-31T11:47:50 warren, properly mergeable ? 2007-10-31T11:48:02 ogra, I'm fixing up what we have first and putting it into bzr before looking at merging 2007-10-31T11:48:09 ok 2007-10-31T11:48:32 we can look into that on the weekend, would be nice to have your tree merged in soon :) 2007-10-31T11:50:05 *** Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T11:51:15 I'm trying to decide if I will drive myself or ride 2007-10-31T11:53:43 sbalneav: http://pastebin.com/m71418f7d 2007-10-31T11:53:45 brb 2007-10-31T11:54:45 ogra: I used LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD and ldm just sit with a black screen with an x. Any ideas? Thanks 2007-10-31T11:56:07 jamiejackso: Does it present a login screen if you don't set LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD? 2007-10-31T11:58:03 sbalneav: yes so it appears that it is a vaild command and this should work. 2007-10-31T12:01:20 *** MagicStorm has quit IRC 2007-10-31T12:01:24 Can you paste a copy of your lts.conf to the pastebot? 2007-10-31T12:01:27 !pastebot 2007-10-31T12:01:28 sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel. 2007-10-31T12:03:14 sgtpepper: Yes, you don't have the server side bits installed. 2007-10-31T12:04:19 *** MagicStorm has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T12:06:26 damn 2007-10-31T12:07:12 There's a link to them on the wiki page. 2007-10-31T12:08:34 mistik1: you around? 2007-10-31T12:09:01 I have them installed now 2007-10-31T12:10:06 sbalneav: I'll reboot the thin client and see what happens 2007-10-31T12:11:03 frownix: hey man 2007-10-31T12:11:16 heya mistik1 , long time 2007-10-31T12:11:21 indeed 2007-10-31T12:11:30 all well? 2007-10-31T12:11:49 I wont bother complaining as i'm still breathing 2007-10-31T12:11:57 hehe, i hear you 2007-10-31T12:11:59 same here 2007-10-31T12:12:10 where are you at now? 2007-10-31T12:12:24 I'm in Jersey 2007-10-31T12:12:32 permanent? 2007-10-31T12:12:35 sbalneav: You definitely know this stuff 2007-10-31T12:12:47 I'd better, since I wrote it. 2007-10-31T12:12:48 frownix: not sure what that means ;) 2007-10-31T12:12:51 *** sgonzalez has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T12:12:56 mistik1: hehe, ok 2007-10-31T12:13:02 then you definitely know your stuff 2007-10-31T12:13:03 lol 2007-10-31T12:13:06 mabye we should take it private 2007-10-31T12:13:06 thank you very much 2007-10-31T12:13:16 I'm assuming it works now? 2007-10-31T12:13:19 sbalneav: One last question 2007-10-31T12:13:20 yes 2007-10-31T12:13:24 Good. 2007-10-31T12:13:37 can I assign diff'rnt icons to diff'rt devices? 2007-10-31T12:14:01 Not in ltsp4.2 2007-10-31T12:14:16 In ltsp5, we're using the gnome-vfs bits, which handle that. 2007-10-31T12:14:19 well never mind 2007-10-31T12:14:35 and once we get ltsp virtual hal devices, it'll be all handled by the os. 2007-10-31T12:14:40 so icons galore. 2007-10-31T12:14:55 that will be awesome 2007-10-31T12:16:02 *** Q-FUNK has quit IRC 2007-10-31T12:22:16 mistik1: you back in NJ ? 2007-10-31T12:23:39 jammcq: yes 2007-10-31T12:23:49 since august 2007-10-31T12:23:54 wow, cool 2007-10-31T12:24:37 yea, I really love my kid man 2007-10-31T12:24:50 daughter??8~) 2007-10-31T12:24:52 So I sacrificed my integrity and came back to help her grow 2007-10-31T12:25:02 yay!!! 2007-10-31T12:25:03 cliebow_: yep 2007-10-31T12:26:38 *** ICC has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T12:27:13 I need help with printing in LTSP Kiosk Mode 2007-10-31T12:29:02 *** Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T12:29:34 Kiosk Mode runs fine. It's on Edubuntu 7.04. Before switching to Kiosk Mode, clients could see pritners. Now they do not. 2007-10-31T12:30:40 sbalneav... Hi! Hope you're enjoying the summit. I'm working on creating an NFS server for my home folders like we discussed. The best I can do right now is SATA set up RAID1. What do you think? Will it be better than SCSI RAID5 on the LTSP server? The SATA drive server won't do any application serving... just NFS. 2007-10-31T12:31:03 RAID1 will be fine. 2007-10-31T12:31:20 gracias :) 2007-10-31T12:31:26 De nada 2007-10-31T12:32:15 sbalneav: did you learn to sing the cachaça song ??? :-) 2007-10-31T12:32:26 I see you are speaking portuguese :-) 2007-10-31T12:32:38 Ah, thought that was spanish :) 2007-10-31T12:32:55 Yeah, I've done some memorizing of the song. 2007-10-31T12:32:56 :) 2007-10-31T12:33:17 "de nada" is portuguese 2007-10-31T12:33:29 mhterres: By the way, do you have a link to a product page as to which thin client that was you were having problems with? 2007-10-31T12:33:43 "gracias" is spanish 2007-10-31T12:33:45 :P 2007-10-31T12:34:02 in portuguese 'gracias' is 'obrigado' 2007-10-31T12:34:04 Right, but what's "your welcome" in spanish 2007-10-31T12:34:17 Obrigada if it's a women 2007-10-31T12:34:22 sbalneav, yeah 2007-10-31T12:34:30 *** MagicStorm has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T12:35:39 sbalneav: let me see 2007-10-31T12:36:27 sbalneav: http://www.schalter.com.br/thin_page.htm 2007-10-31T12:36:59 *** jamiejackso has quit IRC 2007-10-31T12:37:07 Any chance they'd be willing to send a couple of free ones to LTSP devels? 2007-10-31T12:37:10 sbalneav: but you will not find much information 2007-10-31T12:37:44 sbalneav: maybe. My brother-in-law works in the industry that made this thin client in OEM 2007-10-31T12:37:49 Q-FUNK sent us some of the thin can ones, which helped us to help him a lot, since we HAD the box there to test. I fixed some sound and other boot problems. 2007-10-31T12:38:01 Schalter is just one of the sellers. Another one is iClient 2007-10-31T12:38:11 I'll talk to him ASAP 2007-10-31T12:38:21 If they could send us a couple, we could be testing them, and filing bugs during the hardy devel cycle. 2007-10-31T12:38:26 but now he's in Manaus and will return in about 10 days 2007-10-31T12:38:34 ok, I'll talk to him 2007-10-31T12:38:35 See if he's willing. 2007-10-31T12:38:48 It's a cheap way for them to make sure they have support from us :) 2007-10-31T12:38:55 and maybe you can "certificate" the thin client for them 2007-10-31T12:38:58 Sure 2007-10-31T12:39:01 great 2007-10-31T12:39:09 kaminski-ltsp-br: according to http://www.canuckabroad.com/language/spanish.shtml it is "de nada" and hey, sbalneav is Canadian :) 2007-10-31T12:39:24 kaminski-ltsp-br knows, he's met me :) 2007-10-31T12:40:05 heh 2007-10-31T12:40:12 I'm one of them "world traveller" Canucks you keep hearing about :) 2007-10-31T12:40:35 argh 2007-10-31T12:40:39 silly sabayon 2007-10-31T12:43:15 heh 2007-10-31T12:47:14 sbalneav: I logged in the embeded linux installation of the thin client 2007-10-31T12:47:18 and kernel is 2.6.11 2007-10-31T12:49:53 Hm 2007-10-31T12:50:05 So, could be a kernel problem with the 2.6.20 series. 2007-10-31T12:50:25 maybe 2007-10-31T12:51:22 *** dtrask_ has quit IRC 2007-10-31T12:54:27 *** Daggett has quit IRC 2007-10-31T12:58:42 *** Q-FUNK has quit IRC 2007-10-31T12:59:10 *** sonjag has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T13:00:23 sbalneav: if I'm building an NFS server, can I just install Edubuntu for the OS? I have Ubuntu 6.10 if that's better. I would like to have a GUI. Not quite ready for complete CLI (altho I'm doing much better :) 2007-10-31T13:00:52 *** jammcq has quit IRC 2007-10-31T13:01:51 sgonzalez, lol 2007-10-31T13:02:07 sgonzalez, I know sbalneav from FISL here in Brazil 2007-10-31T13:03:18 sonjag: yeah, edubuntu will be fine. 2007-10-31T13:03:34 You'll just need to install the package nfs-kernel-server 2007-10-31T13:06:16 sorry, I was out testing some things for a minute 2007-10-31T13:10:16 hi again. I am looking for help figuring out how to make printers available in the LTSP 5 (edubuntu) running in Kiosk Mode 2007-10-31T13:15:51 *** Gadi has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T13:16:00 *** sgonzalez has quit IRC 2007-10-31T13:16:21 Gadi!!! 2007-10-31T13:16:54 Gadi: Hey, Q-Funk was wondering if you could bring your thincan when you come. 2007-10-31T13:17:57 hey, all 2007-10-31T13:18:03 hmm... 2007-10-31T13:18:09 hey Gadi 2007-10-31T13:18:17 I would need to swing by the office, but I sppose it can be arranged 2007-10-31T13:18:22 he didnt bring his? 2007-10-31T13:18:42 mistik1: howdy 2007-10-31T13:21:52 ill bring a whole bunch of thin clients in the same family 2007-10-31T13:25:21 *** K_O-Gnom has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T13:33:58 *** vagrantc has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T13:37:34 *** fgiraldeau has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T13:37:44 anything else you guys need? 2007-10-31T13:39:54 *** MagicStorm has quit IRC 2007-10-31T13:45:33 Love. 2007-10-31T13:45:39 It's all we need. 2007-10-31T13:45:58 we got plenty of that where Im comin from 2007-10-31T13:46:28 Oh, and spinach Knishs 2007-10-31T13:46:38 Love, and spinach knishs 2007-10-31T13:46:39 heh 2007-10-31T13:47:01 I would've pegged you for a sweet potatoe knish man, myself 2007-10-31T13:47:07 *** dniel has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T13:47:08 er, potato 2007-10-31T13:47:10 hehe 2007-10-31T13:47:15 Im like bush 2007-10-31T13:47:21 or was that quayle 2007-10-31T13:47:24 lol 2007-10-31T13:47:24 Yeah 2007-10-31T13:47:28 I think so. 2007-10-31T13:48:27 Hang around for a bit, we're about to head down to the Brooks room for the ltsp-localapps session 2007-10-31T13:48:42 You can voip in, and listen 2007-10-31T13:49:27 *sigh* setting up voip... 2007-10-31T13:49:30 hmm 2007-10-31T13:49:38 can I gobby in? 2007-10-31T13:49:44 are you using that this year? 2007-10-31T13:50:28 Yes 2007-10-31T13:52:13 I'll head down to brooks now, get set up. 2007-10-31T13:52:35 im in on gobby 2007-10-31T13:54:02 *** frownix has quit IRC 2007-10-31T13:54:43 hmmmm 2007-10-31T13:55:30 walking 2007-10-31T13:55:36 typing\ 2007-10-31T13:59:09 ok 2007-10-31T13:59:16 We're not in the room yet, but 2007-10-31T13:59:23 ltsp-localapps is the doc 2007-10-31T13:59:31 and I've loaded the wiki page into it. 2007-10-31T13:59:50 got it 2007-10-31T14:00:12 sbalneav: do you have your proof of concept there? 2007-10-31T14:00:38 parts of it 2007-10-31T14:00:42 the xrexecd 2007-10-31T14:00:59 we can get it running in bar harbour 2007-10-31T14:01:01 * vagrantc searches for the voip stuff 2007-10-31T14:01:09 vagrantc, or gobby 2007-10-31T14:01:10 bar harbor??? 2007-10-31T14:01:14 sbalneav: or both? 2007-10-31T14:01:24 isnt that the name of where you are? 2007-10-31T14:01:57 sw harbor 2007-10-31T14:02:00 sbalneav: We am Backsiders...Tremont and Southwest Harbor 2007-10-31T14:02:10 * Gadi thinks they're like rival gangs up there 2007-10-31T14:02:22 like Bloods and Crypts 2007-10-31T14:02:23 I'll return later 2007-10-31T14:02:24 bye 2007-10-31T14:02:24 *** mhterres has left #ltsp 2007-10-31T14:02:30 they are in a way...turf and all 2007-10-31T14:03:01 sbalneav: http://cryptnet.net/fdp/crypto/keysigning_party/en/keysigning_party.html#AEN342 2007-10-31T14:03:44 sbalneav: check section 5.1 2007-10-31T14:04:28 *** dniel has quit IRC 2007-10-31T14:08:12 vagrant, you there? 2007-10-31T14:08:34 yeah 2007-10-31T14:10:54 sbalneav: i mean, i'm on irc 2007-10-31T14:11:48 *** sepski has quit IRC 2007-10-31T14:17:37 *** Clown-MG has quit IRC 2007-10-31T14:17:48 sbalneav: what's y'alls gobby session called? 2007-10-31T14:18:03 i'm connected, but there's a gazillabillion to look through 2007-10-31T14:18:40 ltsp-localapps 2007-10-31T14:18:54 all i see is the subscribe window ... 2007-10-31T14:19:33 ah, found it 2007-10-31T14:24:20 xprop -root -f LTSP_USERNAME 8s -set LTSP_USERNAME "${USER}" 2007-10-31T14:24:20 xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "$1" 2007-10-31T14:25:16 *** stgraber has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T14:25:21 *** sbartleylinux has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T14:25:57 15:28 < sbalneav> xprop -root -f LTSP_USERNAME 8s -set LTSP_USERNAME "${USER}" 2007-10-31T14:25:57 15:28 < sbalneav> xprop -root -f LTSP_COMMAND 8s -set LTSP_COMMAND "$1" 2007-10-31T14:26:01 stgraber: ^^^^^^ :) 2007-10-31T14:26:30 thx 2007-10-31T14:29:07 * Gadi has to go pick up the kids - bbiab 2007-10-31T14:31:12 *** mikian has quit IRC 2007-10-31T14:31:12 *** parsley has quit IRC 2007-10-31T14:31:33 wow. ekiga crashed X.org 2007-10-31T14:32:49 Gadi, vagrantc, looks good? 2007-10-31T14:32:54 Understandable? 2007-10-31T14:32:57 Questions? 2007-10-31T14:33:58 i gotta re-connect to gobby ... X crashed on me 2007-10-31T14:34:24 *** parsley has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T14:34:24 *** mikian has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T14:35:08 actually, maybe it was gobby that crashed X 2007-10-31T14:35:19 since it happened again 2007-10-31T14:40:07 *** alien_ has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T14:41:28 *** alien_ is now known as alienBOB 2007-10-31T14:42:17 *** sonjag has quit IRC 2007-10-31T14:43:06 sbalneav: looks good to me 2007-10-31T14:46:26 *** cliebow_ has quit IRC 2007-10-31T14:46:39 Is everybody happy 2007-10-31T14:47:37 *** fox2k has quit IRC 2007-10-31T14:49:56 good enough for me 2007-10-31T14:53:34 ok 2007-10-31T15:00:28 *** alienBOB has left #ltsp 2007-10-31T15:05:08 *** Guaraldo has left #ltsp 2007-10-31T15:14:58 *** rasmuson has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T15:16:00 *** otavio has quit IRC 2007-10-31T15:16:50 *** ICC has quit IRC 2007-10-31T15:18:31 *** Blinny has quit IRC 2007-10-31T15:19:04 *** jammcq has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T15:20:36 hey kidz 2007-10-31T15:20:50 Hey jammcq 2007-10-31T15:20:58 how's it goin, eh? 2007-10-31T15:22:27 Goin 2007-10-31T15:27:38 sbalneav: back birefly -> looks good to me, too - I really like this approach 2007-10-31T15:27:49 hey look, it's Gadi 2007-10-31T15:27:55 hey, jammcq 2007-10-31T15:27:59 "birefly" ? hmm 2007-10-31T15:28:07 heh - briefly 2007-10-31T15:28:07 I've heard of Barfly 2007-10-31T15:28:15 you in Boston? 2007-10-31T15:28:19 engineers - so analytical 2007-10-31T15:28:22 not yet 2007-10-31T15:28:26 2moro 2007-10-31T15:28:26 can't help myself 2007-10-31T15:28:31 u? 2007-10-31T15:28:37 Waterford 2007-10-31T15:28:46 im sorry 2007-10-31T15:28:48 ;) 2007-10-31T15:28:48 sitting at Diskless Workstations.com World Headquarters 2007-10-31T15:28:58 watching the planes flying in and out 2007-10-31T15:29:05 lots of blinking lights 2007-10-31T15:29:28 u going to Boston or straight to maine? 2007-10-31T15:29:43 BOS 2007-10-31T15:29:50 gotta pick up a bunch of folks 2007-10-31T15:29:53 when? 2007-10-31T15:30:04 leaving tomorrow afternoon 2007-10-31T15:30:15 catching the end of UDS? 2007-10-31T15:30:17 stop over in Rochester NY, then on to Boston on friday 2007-10-31T15:30:21 ah 2007-10-31T15:30:29 heh, I'll be lucky to get there in time for the group photo :) 2007-10-31T15:32:20 *** _ryan has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T15:33:34 this compiz stuff is fun 2007-10-31T15:33:41 * Gadi is sweet on the eye candy 2007-10-31T15:34:08 even on my P3-1GHz 2007-10-31T15:34:16 which is really 700MHz or some such 2007-10-31T15:34:26 thank you, intel 2007-10-31T15:36:22 *** civilizedex_ has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T15:36:42 bbiab 2007-10-31T15:36:45 gobby is way too noisy to be useful remotely 2007-10-31T15:37:34 if i'm not looking at it while someone makes an edit, it pops up some little reminder that changes are happening, but when i go to look i have no idea what actually changed 2007-10-31T15:38:07 *** slidesinger has quit IRC 2007-10-31T15:39:42 *** _civilixedex has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T15:49:34 *** _ryan has quit IRC 2007-10-31T15:49:38 *** rasmuson has quit IRC 2007-10-31T15:53:58 *** civilizedex_ has quit IRC 2007-10-31T15:56:56 *** _civilixedex has quit IRC 2007-10-31T16:20:51 sbalneav: ping 2007-10-31T16:21:23 *** ogra_cmpc has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T16:21:45 * jammcq reminds sbalneav about the phone call at 8:30pm tonight 2007-10-31T16:21:58 *** jammcq has quit IRC 2007-10-31T16:23:54 *** Q-FUNK has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T16:25:38 *** Egyptian[Home] has quit IRC 2007-10-31T16:26:34 *** Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T16:31:45 *** cliebow has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T16:32:11 *** fgiraldeau has quit IRC 2007-10-31T16:32:44 Eastern? 2007-10-31T16:33:39 sbalneav: michigan is eastern 2007-10-31T16:33:43 so probably 2007-10-31T16:35:09 ok, I'll get ekiga set up 2007-10-31T16:36:31 Hmm, they don't have any voip info 2007-10-31T16:38:08 *** Amaranth has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T16:38:36 ekiga is nice 2007-10-31T16:38:51 darn... seems I just missed francis 2007-10-31T16:40:30 *** Egyptian[Home] has quit IRC 2007-10-31T16:43:38 Heck...left the charger at school.... 2007-10-31T16:43:43 *** cliebow has quit IRC 2007-10-31T16:48:09 *** Q-FUNK has quit IRC 2007-10-31T16:52:46 *** ogra_cmpc has quit IRC 2007-10-31T16:53:10 *** plamengr has quit IRC 2007-10-31T16:54:49 *** jammcq has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T17:00:13 *** sgtpepper has quit IRC 2007-10-31T17:07:20 *** K_O-Gnom has quit IRC 2007-10-31T17:11:32 *** sbalneav has quit IRC 2007-10-31T17:19:00 *** mistik1 has quit IRC 2007-10-31T17:19:59 *** mistik1 has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T17:24:40 *** mrbell has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T17:25:41 *** ogra has quit IRC 2007-10-31T17:27:13 *** sgod51 has quit IRC 2007-10-31T17:29:36 *** mrbell has quit IRC 2007-10-31T17:29:42 *** sbartleylinux has quit IRC 2007-10-31T17:37:31 *** J45p3r has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T17:39:43 *** vagrantc has quit IRC 2007-10-31T17:43:27 *** bobby_C has quit IRC 2007-10-31T17:50:10 *** staffencasa has quit IRC 2007-10-31T18:31:05 *** xlyz has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T18:57:45 *** sbalneav has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T18:57:57 Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2007-10-31T19:16:57 *** meta-paonia has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T19:32:33 sbalneav: ping 2007-10-31T19:34:55 *** J45p3r has quit IRC 2007-10-31T19:35:13 *** moquist has quit IRC 2007-10-31T19:36:09 sbalneav: ping 2007-10-31T19:37:56 *** sbalneav has quit IRC 2007-10-31T19:38:29 *** PMantis has joined #LTSP 2007-10-31T19:38:49 Hey guys 2007-10-31T19:40:37 kudos to sbalneav 2007-10-31T20:27:04 well? 2007-10-31T20:30:50 *** xlyz has left #ltsp 2007-10-31T20:31:40 *** jim__ has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T20:32:50 Hello everyone, 2007-10-31T20:33:47 I'm trying to run an opengl program, xmoto, on a K12ltsp centos 5 release and can't get the glx to go... 2007-10-31T20:34:15 blender works though... 2007-10-31T20:35:10 I'm ready to move my home system to ltsp-5 on debian or ubuntu if I can get this system working!! 2007-10-31T20:35:21 Is it possible?? ;-) 2007-10-31T20:37:46 Maybe I should have said my client is an hp5515 ati rage 2007-10-31T20:45:24 *** sbartleylinux has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T20:50:50 *** sbartleylinux has quit IRC 2007-10-31T20:51:00 * PMantis is looking at dedicated thin clients... does the "LTSP Term 1220 PXE" suport local sound with LTSP 4.2 and/or 5.0 with Ubuntu? 2007-10-31T20:51:54 PMantis: yeah, should work with both 2007-10-31T20:52:30 Why is sound on the LTSP Term 1000 harder? 2007-10-31T20:52:41 cuz it uses the sis7019 chipset 2007-10-31T20:53:00 the driver isn't completely opensource 2007-10-31T20:53:29 bastards 2007-10-31T20:53:47 It's *almost* the perfect thin client. :) 2007-10-31T20:53:58 well, the driver is available, but there's no license information in the code, so it can't be distributed with distro kernels 2007-10-31T20:54:27 Hi jim m. I've never tried to run a glx program like xmoto or flightgear on a client. Is it possible? 2007-10-31T20:54:34 But, like "restricted" Ubuntu packages, I assume it could be compiled in later with more effort. 2007-10-31T20:54:59 jim__: it should be, but i'm not a glx guy 2007-10-31T20:55:20 That's *really* slick to mount the thin client with the monitor. 2007-10-31T20:55:37 me either! tux racer can work out of the box... but not on my systems!! 2007-10-31T20:56:53 I've seen tux racer run using mesa no prob but with the module glx loaded in lts.conf for us it doesn't go... oh well 2007-10-31T20:57:36 I run ltsp for my computer club at school and my students would love to have some of these glx programs to work!!! 2007-10-31T21:08:56 Well!! Take care Jim M. Bye 2007-10-31T21:09:07 *** jim__ has quit IRC 2007-10-31T21:09:39 *** dtrask has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T21:19:57 *** dan__t has left #ltsp 2007-10-31T21:23:22 *** spectra has quit IRC 2007-10-31T21:57:50 *** vagrantc has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T22:06:10 *** moquist has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T22:07:08 *** dtrask has quit IRC 2007-10-31T22:07:13 *** dtrask has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T22:35:07 *** dtrask has quit IRC 2007-10-31T22:45:41 *** Amaranth has quit IRC 2007-10-31T23:19:00 *** mwright1 has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T23:19:36 Hello anybody about who can answer a question about Xen Ubuntu LTSP -- I'd like to get sound working on my desktops by migrating from Fedora 7 to Ubuntu gutsy 2007-10-31T23:25:47 *** Joris has quit IRC 2007-10-31T23:26:08 *** Joris has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T23:29:57 *** dtrask has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T23:31:27 *** dtrask has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T23:35:24 *** dtrask has quit IRC 2007-10-31T23:37:50 *** dtrask has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T23:39:10 moquist: ping 2007-10-31T23:40:37 moquist: I just come back from Scott's room, we made firefox and flash to run locally with sound working just fine :) 2007-10-31T23:41:33 stgraber: cool! 2007-10-31T23:42:13 * moquist is hanging out on floor 3...where the wireless works for him 2007-10-31T23:42:24 *** mwright1 has quit IRC 2007-10-31T23:42:39 can't you use the wired network in your room ? 2007-10-31T23:42:53 haven't tried that; probably should ;) 2007-10-31T23:43:15 I wonder if I would have the same problem. 2007-10-31T23:43:23 just plug the ethernet, go to the hotel page and enable internet (as with the hotel wifi) 2007-10-31T23:43:50 I can connect with the w/l just fine, and I can ping my gateway. But my browser doesn't go to the sign-in page, so I can't get my system recognized by their gateway so I can get out to the 'Net. 2007-10-31T23:44:04 stgraber: exactly. That's the step that's not working for me. 2007-10-31T23:44:26 I've tried both FF and Safari, no luck. meh. 2007-10-31T23:44:46 it'll be interesting to see if the wire works. 2007-10-31T23:45:50 jammcq: hey, i'll be (sort of) in your neck of the woods late november/early december 2007-10-31T23:46:30 vagrantc: out of curiosity, in the neck of whose woods are you now? 2007-10-31T23:47:04 cascadia 2007-10-31T23:47:13 bah. "moodle has no source override entry / moodle has no binary override entry either" 2007-10-31T23:47:35 * moquist works on grokking apt-ftparchive 2007-10-31T23:48:10 vagrantc: WA? 2007-10-31T23:48:37 moquist: just south of thereabouts 2007-10-31T23:49:03 * moquist nods 2007-10-31T23:49:09 I was in WA once. 2007-10-31T23:49:23 That was 20 years ago. 2007-10-31T23:49:41 * moquist feels old because he can say that 2007-10-31T23:50:24 :) 2007-10-31T23:50:41 stgraber: I was thinking of you when I made that last comment. ;-) 2007-10-31T23:53:22 hehe :) 2007-10-31T23:55:00 *** fox2k has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T23:55:32 *** fox2k has joined #ltsp 2007-10-31T23:58:49 *** PMantis has quit IRC